American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

Yep, my step-daughter is planning on going on her first adult trip with her friends to NY. She's a Canadian citizen, born and raised here but is brown, and so we've both been trying to talk her out of it. Maybe she'd be fine and nothing happens, but I don't think it's worth taking that risk right now.

I've said before, but my wife, kids and I are white and we're reconsidering our trip to Disneyland.

[Thor]

Its a horribly sad question, mind you an Icelandic female singer that could not be more nordic and innocent was denied entry to the US and the embassy won't explain why.

Scary times.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

They certainly don't "look" brown but their passport says born in Iran sooo...

Best of luck to them. Very curious to see how it goes. Based on what is being reported, I'd put the odds of a smooth border crossing at about 5%.

[photon]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Funny, but that's such a legit question now.

It's been a legit question for a long time, whenever I've traveled to the US with my wife (who's brown) we've always got varying levels of more scrutiny than when I've traveled alone, or when we've traveled elsewhere.

It just seems a more extreme now, possibly in combination with more attention/coverage.

[direwolf]

This is strange.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/684192...being-reviewed

Gold Star father Khizr Khan has canceled an upcoming speech in Toronto after being told that his "travel privileges are being reviewed," CTV's Rosa Hwang reports. Khan and his wife were born in Pakistan, but Khizr has been an American citizen for more than 30 years.

The released statement said that Khan was notified on Sunday about the challenge to his ability to travel to Canada, where he had planned to deliver a speech "about tolerance, understanding, unity, and the rule of law" on March 7.

In a statement, Khan said: "This turn of events is not just of deep concern to me but to all my fellow Americans who cherish our freedom to travel abroad. I have not been given any reason as to why."

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by direwolf

This is strange.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/684192...being-reviewed

'Travel privileges are being reviewed'? Damn that sounds an awful like what the Chinese government would say.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/

Golly that's a real shame. Maybe he can get stormfront to set up a talk for him somewhere.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/

As a liberal, and risking sounding like an old man shouting to get off his lawn, I think these college kids are hurting the liberal cause more than helping it. They are becoming caricatures that the right can use to dismiss all of liberalism. They are allowing normal middle of the road people to sway republican or be apathetic and push elections to conservatives.

In the words of Droz from PCU, "we're not gonna protest"!

[flylock shox]

Had a read through the new executive order, and it's much stronger than the last one (legally speaking). It should withstand legal challenge to a much greater degree, though it's still weak in justifying why those particular countries are chosen and why the current vetting standards are inadequate. I don't know, however, if those are considerations on which the order can be challenged.

Noteworthy that it takes effect on March 16, so that may be an interesting day to pass through a US airport.

Also unmissable in the order are all of the anti immigrant propaganda provisions, requiring public reports to be made at regular intervals regarding crimes and terrorism perpetrated by foreign nationals in the US. I can't imagine what the purpose of this might be. Oh wait, yes I can...

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Cameron Swift

Yep, my step-daughter is planning on going on her first adult trip with her friends to NY. She's a Canadian citizen, born and raised here but is brown (of Indian descent like the lady in the article), and so we've both been trying to talk her out of it. Maybe she'd be fine and nothing happens, but I don't think it's worth taking that risk right now.

You should get her a MAGA cap, she can wear during arrival.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/

Originally Posted by dobbles

As a liberal, and risking sounding like an old
man shouting to get off his lawn, I think these college kids are
hurting the liberal cause more than helping it. They are becoming
caricatures that the right can use to dismiss all of liberalism. They
are allowing normal middle of the road people to sway republican or be
apathetic and push elections to conservatives.

In the words of Droz from PCU, "we're not gonna protest"!

First, bonus points for the PCU reference. Great flick.

Now, I’m going to take the opposite stance on this. I get the protest. I get why liberal students are pushing back. I have to listen to these whiny little conservatives bring their garbage theories, backed by garbage websites, into my classroom and derail my lesson plan. I have to spend more time fact-checking and debunking the stuff these twits espouse rather than working with the majority of the students on the content that matters. I’m forced to give these little bastards all the time they demand, because if I don’t they go and make a formal complaint with the administration that I am preventing their perspective from being represented. I can get called up on the mat for not respecting these little snowflakes’ unique view of the world.

Education shouldn’t be ideologically based, but the College Republicans have made it that way. David Horowitz and Ben Shapiro have made teaching in higher ed, especially political content, a freaking minefield. These are the same people that complain that liberals are all about being special, but they are the first to demand special treatment in class. Of all the problems I have seen in my department only once has a content issue been raised by a non-conservative student. Compare that with the dozens of complaints that get lodged each year because the conservative ideal is not represented in what they think is a fair or accurate light. The College Republicans are the first to protest. I think it’s great that they should be fed some of their own medicine.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...olence/518667/

Won't someone please think of the racists and neo-nazis?!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I've said before, but my wife, kids and I are white and we're reconsidering our trip to Disneyland.

We're going next week. We're all white, born and bred Canadians so I'm not expecting any issues, but its pathetically sad that I even have to think about it. After this trip we're not going back to the U.S. for at least a few years. And we only live about 10 minutes from the border.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by dobbles

As a liberal, and risking sounding like an old man shouting to get off his lawn, I think these college kids are hurting the liberal cause more than helping it. They are becoming caricatures that the right can use to dismiss all of liberalism. They are allowing normal middle of the road people to sway republican or be apathetic and push elections to conservatives.

In the words of Droz from PCU, "we're not gonna protest"!

You think? This is disastrous.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Won't someone please think of the racists and neo-nazis?!

Charles Murray isn't a racist.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Golly that's a real shame. Maybe he can get stormfront to set up a talk for him somewhere.

Originally Posted by rubecube

Won't someone please think of the racists and neo-nazis?!

Charles Murray: avowed neo-nazi. Got it.

I mean I get that the guy's work was controversial and I agree with much of the criticism directed at it, and probably would have liked to hear what his interlocutor had to say to him at this event. But you're being typically self-parodic. The dude is a sociologist who came to have a debate with a professor and was intimidated by thugs in ski masks while the professor in question was assaulted. I'm sure you guys feel great about the suggestion that that's all totally okay with you.

[peter12]

In an earlier discussion regarding Charles Murray's most recent work, Coming Apart, New Era admitted that he had never read either the Bell Curve or the book in question. So take anything he says on this subject with a grain of salt.

Coming Apart is probably the most moderate piece of "controversial social science" that I have ever read in my life.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by peter12

Charles Murray isn't a racist.

Sorry, I wasn't referring to Murray, but this section of the article:

But if conservative students cannot invite speakers who hold what I and many other liberals consider reprehensible views, then they cannot invite many of the most prominent conservative thinkers and Republican politicians in the United States today.

I disagree with conservatives on most issues but I wouldn't generally call their views reprehensible.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by New Era

First, bonus points for the PCU reference. Great flick.

Now, I’m going to take the opposite stance on this. I get the protest. I get why liberal students are pushing back. I have to listen to these whiny little conservatives bring their garbage theories, backed by garbage websites, into my classroom and derail my lesson plan. I have to spend more time fact-checking and debunking the stuff these twits espouse rather than working with the majority of the students on the content that matters. I’m forced to give these little bastards all the time they demand, because if I don’t they go and make a formal complaint with the administration that I am preventing their perspective from being represented. I can get called up on the mat for not respecting these little snowflakes’ unique view of the world.

Education shouldn’t be ideologically based, but the College Republicans have made it that way. David Horowitz and Ben Shapiro have made teaching in higher ed, especially political content, a freaking minefield. These are the same people that complain that liberals are all about being special, but they are the first to demand special treatment in class. Of all the problems I have seen in my department only once has a content issue been raised by a non-conservative student. Compare that with the dozens of complaints that get lodged each year because the conservative ideal is not represented in what they think is a fair or accurate light. The College Republicans are the first to protest. I think it’s great that they should be fed some of their own medicine.

Well, this is ridiculous. Just plain old Quisling acquiesence.

William Deresiewicz (socialist and atheist, hardly a conservative) just wrote up a great essay in The American Scholar. Recommended reading for anyone who thinks the kind of thuggery displayed Middlebury is "okay" or "understandable."

That, by the way, is why liberal students (and liberals in general) are so bad at defending their own positions. They never have to, so they never learn to. That is also why it tends to be so easy for conservatives to goad them into incoherent anger. Nothing makes you more enraged than an argument you cannot answer. But the reason to listen to people who disagree with you is not so you can learn to refute them. The reason is that you may be wrong. In fact, you are wrong: about some things and probably about a lot of things. There is zero percent chance that any one of us is 100 percent correct. That, in turn, is why freedom of expression includes the right to hear as well as speak, and why disinviting campus speakers abridges the speech rights of students as well as of the speakers themselves.

New Era et al should spend some time considering the above bolded sentences.