The Flames Expansion Draft Protection/Exposure/Exempt Thread

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I still think Vegas signs Engelland before the expansion draft and that could get as their pick from the flames.

Isn't the expansion draft before Engelland becomes a FA? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

This. I think Treliving will send Vegas a draft pick so they take Bouma/Stajan over Brouwer/Lazar.

Not sure I love the idea of giving up another pick on top of the 2nd to keep Lazar. I'd dare them to take Brouwer.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Isn't the expansion draft before Engelland becomes a FA? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, but:

The league’s newest club will get a 48-hour window to work out a deal with any free agents — restricted or unrestricted — before the expansion draft.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...ed-free-agents

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The Golden Knights are going to stock up on younger depth players, occasionally taking a flier on a few reclamation projects. Veteran leadership can come from the free agent market.

They'll turn around and trade some of those depth players to fill out their other needs. I also imagine they'll be very active in the undrafted juniors/college/Euro market.

The Flames they'd be looking at are likely are one of Bouma, Kulak or Shinkaruk.

The McPhee/Brouwer connection is interesting though.

They've got to make the cap floor and they aren't going to want to get creamed every game. They probably won't take Brouwer just because his contract is so long but they are going to take more nhl players than tweeners like the guys you mentioned.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They've got to make the cap floor and they aren't going to want to get creamed every game. They probably won't take Brouwer just because his contract is so long but they are going to take more nhl players than tweeners like the guys you mentioned.

NHL roster depth players who are still relatively young along with the odd "tweener" with upside. Stock up on them. They are tradable commodities. The Golden Knights' Opening Night lineup will only have partial resemblance to what they pick up in the expansion draft.

A guy like Deryk Engelland (who actually lives in Las Vegas off-season) can be had. We'll see where that goes. Gully and him are tight buds, so I wouldn't rule out a re-up with the Flames.

Still.. If I'm George McPhee I load up on the most tradable players I can get in the Expansion Draft. That means going young.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If Lazar has a strong finish to the season, it is definitely possible that he gets added to the protection list instead of Brouwer. I would think right now, the forward list is:

Gaudreau
Monahan
Bennett
Backlund
Frolik
Ferland
Brouwer
Lazar.

And the door would be open for Lazar to move up if he can earn it.

Brouwer probably has substantial negative value, while Lazar was just acquired for a second round pick.
I don't think there's much question here.

[Samonadreau]

Brouwer will be exposed

[Karl]

I'd expose Brouwer if I was GM.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think Treliving will probably want to see how Brouwer performs down the stretch drive and into the playoffs. If he does poorly, I don't see why Treliving would protect him or waste an asset in exchange for Vegas not selecting him.

He has been better lately. Good start to the season, then disappeared for a long stretch with a few good showings, but lately he has been more noticeable than not, though inconsistent. I for one hope that Brouwer starts doing well and forces a tough decision for Treliving - that is a good problem to have.

[Lil Pedro]

Treliving doesn't owe Brouwer anything in terms of expansion protection; it's Brouwers fault for being a relative no show the majority of this season. Had he been the player we had hoped he would be when we signed him last July we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[868904]

I think Brouwer and his agent had to have known that there was a chance he would get exposed in an expansion draft when he didn't get a nmc from the Flames. In exchange he probably got a little more money and term than what he should have. That was probably the trade off.

[CliffFletcher]

The notion that the Brouwer signing was a big mistake is a CP meme. I doubt it's shared in Flames' management. The guy is good for 33 to 43 pts a season, and brings other qualities to the table. Treliving knew what they were getting when they signed him. They might be a little disappointed in his productivity, but I really doubt they're kicking themselves over the deal.

Lazar is a reclamation project who cost a 2nd rounder. No doubt Treliving will try to find a way to protect him. But if they can't, and that's all the Flames lose in the expansion draft, they'll take their medicine and move on, like every other team in the league.

[Enoch Root]

I think with guys like Shinkaruk, Kulak, and Bouma available, it wouldn't take much (a 5th or 6th rounder max) to convince Vegas not to take Brouwer.

1) there will be some kids available on the list, and there is a good chance they would prefer that route anyway, and

2) if they need a player for their current roster, Bouma at $2.2M for another year probably makes more sense for them than Brouwer at $4.5M for 3 more years

So leaving Brouwer unprotected is probably a pretty safe strategy for Treliving.

The other thing here is that we can all rest assured that Treliving and his team will do everything in their power to get a handle on what Vegas is thinking in advance. He'll make sure it goes down exactly the way Calgary wants it to.

[Poe969]

The reason I think LV signs Engelland ahead of time is so that they don't have to compete with anyone who might over pay for him because he's a serviceable bottom pairing guy. I could also see the Flames making a deal with them that if they sign Engelland, they'll give them Bouma and a 6th for a 6th or something like that.

I could also see the Flames exposing Brouwer because he hasn't really been that great here. I could also see them dealing Brouwer to LV before the draft too. Either way, I'm not too worried about the Flames losing anyone significant in expansion. I think they're set up really well for things moving forward.

I still hope they find a way to get a top notch goalie this summer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The notion that the Brouwer signing was a big mistake is a CP meme. I doubt it's shared in Flames' management. The guy is good for 33 to 43 pts a season, and brings other qualities to the table. Treliving knew what they were getting when they signed him. They might be a little disappointed in his productivity, but I really doubt they're kicking themselves over the deal.

Lazar is a reclamation project who cost a 2nd rounder. No doubt Treliving will try to find a way to protect him. But if they can't, and that's all the Flames lose in the expansion draft, they'll take their medicine and move on, like every other team in the league.

Absolutely agree with this. Fans are far too focused on the 'what have you done for me lately' thing. Remember Frolik had a so so first year here and there were lots of rumblings that he wasn't a good signing either (by many of the same people).

Having said that, it still may turn out that they don't protect him (though if so, they will probably still protect him by convincing Vegas not to take him).

[Red Menace]

Treliving has stated that Lazar was not really brought in for this year, but for the future.
Therefore is seems almost automatic to me that he will be protected.
I presume Brouwer will be exposed or a deal will be done with LV to take someone else.
I also wonder how Stone works into this, I think Tre would like to keep him. I know some have stated he is a UFA and they don't have to protect him and can just sign him afterwards...but I thought the NHL gave strict warnings about this...that it was basically circumvention of the rules and wouldn't be allowed?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

I also wonder how Stone works into this, I think Tre would like to keep him. I know some have stated he is a UFA and they don't have to protect him and can just sign him afterwards...but I thought the NHL gave strict warnings about this...that it was basically circumvention of the rules and wouldn't be allowed?

The NHL gave a warning about having a deal with a pending UFA to sign after the expansion draft.

As long as there is no evidence of a UFA agreeing to a deal before the expansion draft and then announcing a deal after the expansion draft, teams should be okay.

[Vinny01]

The Flames should welcome Brouwer being selected by Vegas. That way the Flamesmcould have some cash to RW-sign Stone or go after Alzner who the caps will have trouble keeping. Osborne could be an interesting UFA to chase but could result in a Brouwer like overpay (at Okposo/Lucic/Eriksson $).

Ideally Brouwer is gone and with the cap hits for Wideman, Engellend, goalies expiring the Flames should have the cash to acquire or sign a good goalie, and #4D with hopes of adding a top line RW

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The NHL gave a warning about having a deal with a pending UFA to sign after the expansion draft.

As long as there is no evidence of a UFA agreeing to a deal before the expansion draft and then announcing a deal after the expansion draft, teams should be okay.

This is what scares me. I feel like the Flames will need to let Stone hit free agency before re-signing him, in order to avoid any suspicions from the league in regards to expansion circumvention, and it's possible that other teams will see this happening and then drive up Stone's price-tag on Treliving.

[Poe969]

I feel like Stone wants to be in Calgary and is motivated to stay. I think they'll let him hit the market but he'll still sign with the Flames anyway.