[Trade] Sens trade Lazar and Kostka to the Flames for a 2nd + Jokipakka

[Wolfman]

I'm guessing at some point when Ferland goes back to his old ways of taking multiple games off, we see Lazar get a shot on the top line with Johnny and Mony.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I don't think it's fair to compare this to the Baertschi trade. Yes, they were both traded for 2nd round picks. But the year Baertschi was traded it was a fairly strong draft. This season, a 2nd is probably equivalent to a 3rd in the 2015 NHL entry draft.

How many mid-round 3rd round picks from 2015 or 2016 would people take over Lazar? (Serious question, I haven't checked names)

[Strange Brew]

Sorry if his has been brought up already, but didn't Scorp's infamous source result in the prediction that Jokipakka or Wideman would be moved?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sorry if his has been brought up already, but didn't Scorp's infamous source result in the prediction that Jokipakka or Wideman would be moved?

Uh, half the forum has been predicting for 3 years that Wideman would be moved.

Broken Clocks.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Uh, half the forum has been predicting for 3 years that Wideman would be moved.

Broken Clocks.

But "man in bar" or whatever he was, wasn't three years ago, it was a few days ago.

Thought it was kind of funny that it ended up coming to fruition, particularly since Jokipakka was essentially an inconsequential piece of the trade.

[Poe969]

You're right, scorp's source was right.

I'm starting to think Scorpion is Eklund....

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm not even arguing that I don't like it, in fact, I'm actually saying there is a very solid chance I will like it, but I'm responding to the notion that 2nd round picks are valueless, or that it's just as easy to trade a player as it is a pick, or that it's a good thing to not have many quality prospects in the minors and other notions that some fans on this board have come to believe.

The Flames got into the position they were/are in because they failed to prioritize the draft, and now they are again deficit spending on draft picks to augment the roster. I don't necessarily disagree with that, it remains to be seen if Lazar will work out, but on the whole the Flames still need to be picking more frequently than their peers to find a diamond in the rough or two.

Last few years, the Flames were accumulating draft picks. Some of them were used to draft a few good prospects, others were used as currency (Hamilton trade).

Once in a while, especially when its considered a weak draft, you need to take a shot on players such as Lazar.

The problem becomes when you trade the picks every year, especially for aging veterans. Lazar is 22, he still has some upside.

[Toonage]

My concern is, will he get a chance to play with skilled players? Does he fit on the 3L here? If he just replaces Chiasson, how will playing with Bouma & Stajan provide better opportunity than playing in Ottawa? If he is on the 3L, who drops to 4? Versteeg or Brouwer?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Toonage

My concern is, will he get a chance to play with skilled players? Does he fit on the 3L here? If he just replaces Chiasson, how will playing with Bouma & Stajan provide better opportunity than playing in Ottawa? If he is on the 3L, who drops to 4? Versteeg or Brouwer?

Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Versteeg - Bennett - Brouwer/Lazar
Bouma - Stajan - Brouwer/Lazar

[nemanja2306]

A lot of posts on TSN/Sportsnet facebook pages about this trade.

It seems like its one of the most notable ones.

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[devo22]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

A lot of posts on TSN/Sportsnet facebook pages about this trade.

It seems like its one of the most notable ones.

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it was the trade with the highest pick involved yesterday, plus two Canadian teams and a young Canadian player ... so not surprising

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Toonage

My concern is, will he get a chance to play with skilled players? Does he fit on the 3L here? If he just replaces Chiasson, how will playing with Bouma & Stajan provide better opportunity than playing in Ottawa? If he is on the 3L, who drops to 4? Versteeg or Brouwer?

I'd tailor your expectations. A corollary to the fact that most 2nds don't turn into NHL players is the fact that most of the prospects who do make the NHL make it as bottom six forwards or bottom 3 d. There isn't any evidence that Lazar will be a skilled or productive player at the NHL, playing against men. This trade won't be a failure if Lazar settles in as a 3rd or 4th line energy guy. Every team needs those players too.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Last few years, the Flames were accumulating draft picks. Some of them were used to draft a few good prospects, others were used as currency (Hamilton trade).

Once in a while, especially when its considered a weak draft, you need to take a shot on players such as Lazar.

The problem becomes when you trade the picks every year, especially for aging veterans. Lazar is 22, he still has some upside.

That is a very fair assessment.

The hesitation I have with giving up the 2nd round pick is the Flames still don't really seem to have good prospect depth in the AHL. There are a handful of guys that look like they have potential, but no absolute blue chippers right now. So as much as the Flames want to compete at the NHL level, they also need to stock the cupboards. You'd like to think that between the 2nd and 3rd round pick given up this year, you'd find one solid prospect.

The Stone and Lazar deals make sense and are logical. Now the team really needs to hit on their mid first round pick this year and hope that the trend of our AHL prospects falling off begins to reverse. It would be crucial to see a solid 2nd year of development from guys like Andersson, Mangiapane and Kylington.

I was also hoping Janko would get some NHL games this year to prepare him for success next training camp. But with all the forwards we're carrying, seems unlikely unless there are injuries. Which to me means, Janko could still play in the NHL next year but may bounce back and forth before making an impact.

[ComixZone]

Listening to Treliving talk about Lazar - he loves this kid. That excites me.

Organizational depth was a barren wasteland when it comes to the RW position. Lazar is a right shooting RW, and he's got plenty of upside if you trust our GM. It's going to be fun to follow his development, which will take some time.

[Matty81]

Versteeg hasn't had a point in the last 10 games. I think bennett-lazar-brouwer is a more likely 3rd line at this point. I just wish chiasson would be sent down. Hathaway is twice the player in a 4th line role

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That is a very fair assessment.

The hesitation I have with giving up the 2nd round pick is the Flames still don't really seem to have good prospect depth in the AHL. There are a handful of guys that look like they have potential, but no absolute blue chippers right now. So as much as the Flames want to compete at the NHL level, they also need to stock the cupboards. You'd like to think that between the 2nd and 3rd round pick given up this year, you'd find one solid prospect.

The Stone and Lazar deals make sense and are logical. Now the team really needs to hit on their mid first round pick this year and hope that the trend of our AHL prospects falling off begins to reverse. It would be crucial to see a solid 2nd year of development from guys like Andersson, Mangiapane and Kylington.

I was also hoping Janko would get some NHL games this year to prepare him for success next training camp. But with all the forwards we're carrying, seems unlikely unless there are injuries. Which to me means, Janko could still play in the NHL next year but may bounce back and forth before making an impact.

Yes, but how many blue chippers are drafted in the 2nd round? You can draft a nice prospect, sure, not a blue chipper. At least not one that is immediately considered one.

Now, with our 1st rounder we can draft a good one.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by devo22

Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland
Versteeg - Bennett - Brouwer/Lazar
Bouma - Stajan - Brouwer/Lazar

Either way, that's not a bad lineup and you have Hamilton/Hathaway/Chiasson and the AHLers as depth.

Similarly you now have:

Gio/Hamilton
Brodie/Stone
Engelland/Bartkowski

With Wideman, Kulak and the AHLers as depth.

This is a team that will make a good push.

[Jason14h]

Now, with our 1st rounder we can draft a good one.

Well we could, but we're the Flames, and we've hit on one non top 6 first rounder in the last 20 years ! (Backlund)

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Poe969

You're right, scorp's source was right.

I'm starting to think Scorpion is Eklund....

Dammit, I've been found out.

Mods, change my username to The5corpion

[killer_carlson]

Chaisson's most important role right now is to work hard in practice so Ferland doesn't feel like he can take his foot off the gas.

Is Lazar going to be on the ice with the team today? He must have made it to Cgy yesterday, you'd think