The Flames Expansion Draft Protection/Exposure/Exempt Thread

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I would protect Ferland for the following reasons:

1) I would not want to play him throughout the year. He's legitimately dangerous and a guy like Brodie would probably be victimized quickly.
2) He has hands enough but lacks the consistency right now to make him a low cost high reward player.
3) 3 zone playoff performer.

Going forward as the Flames look to legitimately compete/contend high-value contracts are going to be the name of the game. If you can get Lazar and Ferland signed for a combined 2.5 million or so that could be huge for the organization.

Come on. Brodie's played in the NHL for years against virtually every player in the world. He's managed to not get victimized yet. He's not going to get victimized by Ferland.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Vegas GM, McPhee traded a 1st round pick for Brouwer and had him with the Caps for 4 seasons; just sayin

Insert Mr. Burns "Excellent" jpeg here...

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Come on. Brodie's played in the NHL for years against virtually every player in the world. He's managed to not get victimized yet. He's not going to get victimized by Ferland.

I wouldn't go and single out Brodie, but.... EVERYONE gets victimized by Ferland. That is just the way he rolls.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I wouldn't go and single out Brodie, but.... EVERYONE gets victimized by Ferland. That is just the way he rolls.

Face the "Fer-y!"

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

They will probably have to pay Engelland a lot more after July 1. As someone mentioned above, he could also prove to be really useful in their efforts to recruit other UFAs.

I'm not sure why Engelland would take less money for the pleasure of signing with Vegas early.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Brouwer shouldn't be protected nor should Treliving feel any pressure to protect him in any way. He's getting paid $4.5M per season and his play hasn't garnered anywhere near that evaluation. He also didn't negotiate a NMC in his contract so he shouldn't really be surprised by the potential of being exposed.

I doubt he is picked up anyway from Las Vegas as his contract would probably be a burden on them. I know I'm beinf harsh on Brouwer, but the NHL is a business and Treliving's job is on line. He owes Brouwer nothing and his play hasn't earned defense up to date. I do hope he improves his play down the stretch though to quiet down detractors like myself though.

I don't have a problem with Brouwer being left unprotected but I could definitely see Vegas picking him up. He has the type of leadership that would be helpful for an expansion team. I doubt his contract would be a burden for an expansion team, because I don't think the Knights would go that much over the salary floor for the first few seasons.

[FireGilbert]

The Lazar trade definitely complicates things and makes me wonder if Brouwer will be exposed.

I think the best scenario for the Flames is to offer up a draft pick (2018 3rd rounder?) if Vegas selects Bouma. Calgary gains cap space for 2017/18 without losing Brouwer or Lazar while the Knights get a character player who can round out their bottom 6 along with a pick to help them in the future.

[Da_Chief]

I love Stajan and Booms but thats 5.75 mill tied up in 2 4th liners. That's a top 6 forward salary. Hopefully this off-season he can move them both (they've been good warriors).

Hopefully Brouwer comes alive down the stretch otherwise not sure where he fits moving forward.

Bottom D pair and 4th line shouldnt cost more then 7 mill combined.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Fire

I'm not sure why Engelland would take less money for the pleasure of signing with Vegas early.

One reason might be the certainty of a contract offer sitting in front of you in a city that you have lived in before; vs waiting and gambling on the UFA market.

These last couple years, UFAs expecting to cash in haven't exactly done so. i.e. Cody Franson, and especially older UFAs (Curtis Glencross, Kris Russell, Jiri Hudler).

[belsarius]

Brouwer might like Calgary and want to set up roots, but there's also probably some allure to being "the guy" in LV. I haven't really looked at what is going to be available but I would think he might slot on the top line there out of the box and have a really good run at the C. Is that something that interests him? I have no clue. But it might.

[Samonadreau]

K so this is a long shot but can anyone crop a Gif of the lazy hip check Brouwer threw at 9:14 of the 2nd period in the game last night? Cause what the #@!$ was that. He redeemed himself after with his Bolligesque fight later on but what the #@$! Brouwer hit the guy.

I think you expose him.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Brouwer might like Calgary and want to set up roots, but there's also probably some allure to being "the guy" in LV. I haven't really looked at what is going to be available but I would think he might slot on the top line there out of the box and have a really good run at the C. Is that something that interests him? I have no clue. But it might.

Good point. They'll want some leadership in Vegas too, and it would make sense for McPhee to to draft a veteran he's already familiar with for such a role.

[jtfrogger]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I wouldn't go and single out Brodie, but.... EVERYONE gets victimized by Ferland. That is just the way he rolls.

Everyone gets victimized by Ferland? He only has 18 NHL goals. 21 if you add in his 3 playoff goals.

I wouldn't want to lose him in the expansion draft, and I would probably protect him over Brower. But seriously, he is not a superstar and it's not like he is on the verge of a hall of fame career. I think the best case scenario for him is to have a Bourque-like career with similar streaks of goodness with other stretches of mediocrity.

[Huntingwhale]

If the Flames make the playoffs, I think we'll have a better idea once it's all said and done about whether Brouwer gets on the exemption list, or is exposed. I'm not really a fan of players who decide to ''save it'' for the playoffs. While playing 100% top gear is not realistic for a full season+playoffs, these high paid UFAs need to prove they are worth their salaries and bring it more often then not.

Brouwer, other then a few games early in the season, hasn't been playing up to par up until recently. He'll have no one but himself to blame if he's selected by the Knights. But IMO this playoff push and playoffs themselves, similar to Elliott and his pending UFA status, will write the book on whether he returns. If he's one of those guys who turns it on come playoff time...well he'd better do exactly that. Otherwise I have zero issue with him being gone.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fire

I'm not sure why Engelland would take less money for the pleasure of signing with Vegas early.

Originally Posted by shadowlord

One reason might be the certainty of a contract offer sitting in front of you in a city that you have lived in before the city in which you currently live; vs waiting and gambling on the UFA market...

Correction. Engelland lives in LV.

[CGY12]

The Flames would catch a big time break if LV selected Brouwer in the expansion draft. The Flames should not be protecting him and owe him nothing. He has been a big time disappointment and that contract is a burden on the team.

Hopefully he picks up his game down the stretch and plays extremely well but that shouldn't change the teams mind on whether to protect him or not during the expansion draft. He should be exposed regardless.

Gaudreau
Monahan
Ferland
Bennett
Backlund
Frolik
Lazar

Are the guys I'm protecting. They fit the age group you build around and still have the upside to improve. Brouwer is what he is and that is inconsistent.

[lazypucker]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Gaudreau
Monahan
Ferland
Bennett
Brouwer
Frolik
Lazar

Are the guys I'm protecting.

You are letting Backlund being exposed? If it is a choice of 2 of Ferland/Brouwer/Lazar/Bouma/Stajan, I will keep Ferland and Lazar.

Actually what it comes down is between protecting only one of Frolik and Brouwer, who would you choose?

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

You are letting Backlund being exposed? If it is a choice of 2 of Ferland/Brouwer/Lazar/Bouma/Stajan, I will keep Ferland and Lazar.

Actually what it comes down is between protecting only one of Frolik and Brouwer, who would you choose?

Given the statements prior to his list, I think it's pretty safe to conclude he wrote Brouwer instead of Backlund by accident.

[Insufficient Funds]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

You are letting Backlund being exposed? If it is a choice of 2 of Ferland/Brouwer/Lazar/Bouma/Stajan, I will keep Ferland and Lazar.

Actually what it comes down is between protecting only one of Frolik and Brouwer, who would you choose?

Frolik 100 times/100 times

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

You are letting Backlund being exposed? If it is a choice of 2 of Ferland/Brouwer/Lazar/Bouma/Stajan, I will keep Ferland and Lazar.

Actually what it comes down is between protecting only one of Frolik and Brouwer, who would you choose?

My mistake, clearly meant to put down Backlund rather than Brouwer. Good pickup. I am not a fan of Brouwer at all.