[Trade] Patrick Eaves traded to Anaheim for Second Round Pick

[polak]

Originally Posted by Beninho

You still have to wait for Bennett and even Tkachuk to grow into the players they will be. The window is a lot closer than it is further away but the team is still missing a a very good top 6 forward to actually make a run. It's not the year to go all in, waisting a second on Eaves won't put us over the top. Not even close

wasting a second in a bad draft also won't mortgage our future.

The window is open now. We're in the running for a play off spot and have Gaudreau for 6 more years before he's free to leave. 5 after this year.

How much longer are you going to wait before you're ready to risk middling picks for playoff help? And if Bennett doesn't get better? Tkachuk falls off? Gaudreau doesn't recover?

I think middling picks in years where you have a legitimate shot at playoffs should always be on the table. Who knows when you'll be in the playoffs next. A 2nd round pick is not a big risk.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I have to ask, if not now... what exactly are we waiting for? It should be noted that if the Flames just wait and wait until everything lines up just right, then they're going to miss the window and suffer through another rebuild.

IMO - now is the time to start buying, and continue that through next season and beyond.

I'd argue that the rebuild we're going through right now may have been induced by the fact that we only had 1 x 2nd round pick in the 7 drafts between 2004 - 2010.

Our core players are 19 (Tkachuk), 20 (Bennett), 22 (Monahan), 23 (Hamilton), 23 (Gaudreau), and 26 (Brodie) years old. We are no panic whatsoever in going for a cup over the next couple seasons.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'd argue that the rebuild we're going through right now may have been induced by the fact that we only had 1 x 2nd round pick in the 7 drafts between 2004 - 2010.

Our core players are 19 (Tkachuk), 20 (Bennett), 22 (Monahan), 23 (Hamilton), 23 (Gaudreau), and 26 (Brodie) years old. We are no panic whatsoever in going for a cup over the next couple seasons.

Flames have also drafted in the second round 6x in the last 3 drafts (2014 look like 2 busts, 2015-16 look like 4 beauties)

I think this season they could afford to send out a few picks

[thefoss1957]

Ha! Now the Ducks have a beard to compete with Burns and Thornton.




We will have to see how Eaves does without Seguin and Benn.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by polak

wasting a second in a bad draft also won't mortgage our future.

The window is open now. We're in the running for a play off spot and have Gaudreau for 6 more years before he's free to leave. 5 after this year.

How much longer are you going to wait before you're ready to risk middling picks for playoff help? And if Bennett doesn't get better? Tkachuk falls off? Gaudreau doesn't recover?

I think middling picks in years where you have a legitimate shot at playoffs should always be on the table. Who knows when you'll be in the playoffs next. A 2nd round pick is not a big risk.

If Bennett doesn't get better or Tkachuk falls off, this team will never compete.

In the grand scheme of things, the Flames haven't sucked hard enough or long enough to guarantee some years of contention after this rebuild. A quality top 6 forward is still required, alongside a good #4 and a starting goalie. Assets need to be directed towards filing those holes, and it needs to be done in a manner that allows at least a few mistakes, because no GM is perfect.

[DropIt]

Hasn't Eaves been a 3rd line player up until this season? Seems like a high price for a 32 year old having a complete anomaly season.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I agree with you.

As Flames fans we've been dutifully trained to not expect a 2nd round draft pick to ever impact the main roster.

The only 2nd round picks that have played more than 200 games in the last 20 years have been Blair Betts, Brandon Prust and Kurtis Foster.

That absolutely sickens me. I have a lot of hope for Anderson and Killington. If neither of them impacts the roster then our chance of a long successful playoff team is really low.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

This does beg the question, what can the Flames get for Versteeg? Not saying I would necessarily move him but if Eaves can return this...

Talk about asset management. If BT pulled off a trade for Versteeg in this realm that would be very solid.

Nice idea!

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I'd argue that the rebuild we're going through right now may have been induced by the fact that we only had 1 x 2nd round pick in the 7 drafts between 2004 - 2010.

Our core players are 19 (Tkachuk), 20 (Bennett), 22 (Monahan), 23 (Hamilton), 23 (Gaudreau), and 26 (Brodie) years old. We are no panic whatsoever in going for a cup over the next couple seasons.

Our captain is 33 years old, our second line center is 27, and frankly Brodie at 26 means he should be at his prime and not considered a young guy. Like I have said before, teams have won the cup with young players before. These guys aren't playing their first year in the league anymore. Time to put the pressure on them to win and management needs to make sure that the right support players are put into place.

What are we waiting for? Bennett to turn 25? ... 5 more years from now before we put on the pressure?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Versteeg's contribution to a playoff berth and a potential run far outstrips what he might garner for the Flames in a trade.

What do you presume he would return in a trade? You kind of need to have an idea of that in order to make this statement.

I maybe don't see him quite as valuable as you do, and given propensity for injury and UFA status, I wouldn't shut the door on a trade. What if he could get you 2 seconds?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by polak

wasting a second in a bad draft also won't mortgage our future.

The window is open now. We're in the running for a play off spot and have Gaudreau for 6 more years before he's free to leave. 5 after this year.

How much longer are you going to wait before you're ready to risk middling picks for playoff help? And if Bennett doesn't get better? Tkachuk falls off? Gaudreau doesn't recover?

I think middling picks in years where you have a legitimate shot at playoffs should always be on the table. Who knows when you'll be in the playoffs next. A 2nd round pick is not a big risk.

That worked so well in the past, Mr. Sutter.

[MrMastodonFarm]

The window might be open but it's still early spring and nights get cold. Wait another season when Gaudreau, Brodie, Monahan, Giordano, etc aren't all having off seasons and the window is open wider then go for it. Summer isn't here. And yes, only having one pick, weak draft or not, in the top 90 is going all in. This bold type of strategy should only be for the true contenders.

Weak draft doesn't mean no players are available. 2012 was seen as a weak draft but Shayne Gostisbehere, Colton Parayko, Jake McCabe are still drafted outside the 1st round.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

The window might be open but it's still early spring and nights get cold. Wait another season when Gaudreau, Brodie, Monahan, Giordano, etc aren't all having off seasons and the window is open wider then go for it. Summer isn't here. And yes, only having one pick, weak draft or not, in the top 90 is going all in. This bold type of strategy should only be for the true contenders.

Weak draft doesn't mean no players are available. 2012 was seen as a weak draft but Shayne Gostisbehere, Colton Parayko, Jake McCabe are still drafted outside the 1st round.

If Anything, perceived weak draft is a time to stock up on quantity if the perceived value of picks is lower. If Eaves is going for a conditional 1st rounder this year, get some 2nds and 3rds for guys who would normally go for 4ths and 5ths.

You don't have to hit home runs all the time, just graduating competent NHLers is what you need.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by New Era

That worked so well in the past, Mr. Sutter.

Remember that time when the Flames didn't draft a single time in the 2nd round for 4 consecutive drafts?

Also, I just looked at the draft record again and I was wrong about only prust, foster and betts being the only 2nd round picks with 200 games in the last 20 years.

Prust was a 3rd round pick, but another successful 2nd round pick was Stoll (ugh).

So, still technically three, and the most successful one didn't play a single game for the Flames.

Pre-game drinking motivation.

[ricosuave]

I think that Anaheim's window is closing, what with Chicago looking normal this year, etc

[Enoch Root]

Haven't read the thread, so sorry if repetitive, but I would much rather have Stone than Eaves.

Just shows what a great price Treliving paid for him.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Remember that time when the Flames didn't draft a single time in the 2nd round for 4 consecutive drafts?

Also, I just looked at the draft record again and I was wrong about only prust, foster and betts being the only 2nd round picks with 200 games in the last 20 years.

Prust was a 3rd round pick, but another successful 2nd round pick was Stoll (ugh).

So, still technically three, and the most successful one didn't play a single game for the Flames.

Pre-game drinking motivation.

Is it bad drafting or bad development? (Or a llittle bit of 1 and 2) Obviously, some terrible picks over the years, but why can't we graduate anyone from the farm?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

21 goals playing with some pretty great players

Exactly, and having a career year at age 32. Do not trust.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Hasn't Eaves been a 3rd line player up until this season? Seems like a high price for a 32 year old having a complete anomaly season.

Hence Dallas wasn't given a 1st round pick. There's still a chance Eaves can score 25 goals this season. Any year a 25 goal scorer is worth a 1st. But because Eaves is having an anomaly season teams aren't giving up face value.

But good on Dallas for selling Eaves when his stock hasn't been so high.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What do you presume he would return in a trade? You kind of need to have an idea of that in order to make this statement.

I maybe don't see him quite as valuable as you do, and given propensity for injury and UFA status, I wouldn't shut the door on a trade. What if he could get you 2 seconds?

I would largely agree Versteeg isn't worth trading. But if some team is crazy enough to give up a 1st? You'd hope Treliving pulls the trigger there. I would guess he's worth a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd if GMs go crazy.