[Rumour] Friedman: UPD: Flames looking for a winger pref with edge and maybe a goalie

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That is correct. 2 years with a sub .910 save% and GAA greater than 2.5.

Playing on two bad teams to boot.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Expressing doubt is not what Highlander was doing. He was DEFINITIVELY STATING that Poirier is a bust.

He is most definitively NOT a bust. He may not be trending correctly, and it is fair game to question his likelihood of reaching the NHL and/or at what capacity, but to make a definitive statement that a prospect is already a bust is both premature and completely wrong. Until he is a bust, he simply isn't. I would be fine with a post stating: "I think Poirier is going to bust because 'x'...". Re-read his post, and you can see why FDW took exception to it.

It is just as wrong to make grandiose proclamations that "Prospect X will be a super duper awesome franchise player" as well. However, given a choice between the two statements - and being an actual 'fan' of the team - one can guess which statement becomes more annoying, no?

It is one thing to offer an opinion with your underlying rationale (wrong or right). It is another to make such a definitive, "irrefutable" proclamation.

Agreed. The super duper awesome franchise player one gets quite annoying for prospects that are or never did well.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by gunnner

I really hope Poirier turns it around, but is it really that irrational to call Poirier a bust? At what point is it allowed? Is Yakopov still not a bust, just trending the wrong way, as he is only a year older? What about Alexander Daigle or Pavel Brendl, can we safely call them busts yet? Brian Lawton still got a shot?

Isnt that the truth. The guy is in his 3rd full time AHL season, lacks motivation and statically keeps getting worse every year. If Flames were to call up a forward right now, he'd buried on that list. Yet its not ok to call him a bust?

Some started calling Yakupov a bust when he was still in Edmonton. Virtanen is a bust for some guys here but Poirier is not.

Time to cut loses and move on. I'm glad Treliving is not attached to some of these crappy prospects from the past.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

I agree, they have definitely missed on the late 1st and 2nd rounders.

2013 is a prime example. Kimchuk and Poirier are not going to turn into NHL players (Klimchuk may turn into a marginal player if we're lucky).

Meanwhile, Andre Burakovsky and Ryan Hartman were both ranked ahead of Poirier and Klimchuk but the Flames passed on them. They're both solid producers for Washington and Chicago and Hartman also plays with sandpaper.

The Poirier selection especially was the Flames reaching and thinking they've outsmarted everyone only to end up with a bust. Also doesn't help when they reached again and drafted Keegan Kanzig in the third round.

Monahan luckily fell into our lap but the rest of the draft was a failure and it's hurting the team right now. Those are the players you should be inserting into your lineup 3-4 years after drafting them.

Can anyone help me remember... didn't we pick Porier when we did because Montreal was a pick or two later, and the expectation was he would be taken there?

[_Q_]

Poirier will definitely never play full time in the NHL.

Klimchuck might become a tweener one day but I have my doubts. Those types of players are a dime a dozen, so who cares.

The fact is, most draft picks never pan out, so I'm up for trading anything outside of a top 10 pick if the return is right.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Sucks that we missed on, Burakovksy, Theodore, Dano, McCarron, and Hartman to pick Poirier. Those players all already making NHL impacts and picked right after Poirier.

[Calgary Highlander]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Way too early to be saying what Poirier and Klimchuk will definitely be. Either you haven't followed prospects very long or haven't followed hockey very long if you're comfortable writing off players in their early 20's. Ever seen late bloomers? Ever followed Backlund's career progression?

You can't possibly know how good a player like Klimchuk will be, nobody knows the future. Stop pretending you do

Yep, I've followed Backlund's career. At the same point in his development (approximately four years after draft, second pro season) Backlund had played almost 100 NHL games. He was already an NHLer, even if he had plenty of areas he needed to improve upon.

Towards the end of their second professional seasons, prospects
need to be making a push for the NHL club. Giordano, Brodie, Bouma, Backlund, Ferland... all of these players had either made the team or had played an extended stretch in the NHL by the end of their second pro years.

Fans always want to look favourably on their team's players, which is underatandable. But things aren't looking great for Poirier and Klimchuk. It's a shame as the first round in 2013 was quite strong but we ended up drafting two of the weaker players.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Sucks that we missed on, Burakovksy, Theodore, Dano, McCarron, and Hartman to pick Poirier. Those players all already making NHL impacts and picked right after Poirier.

Yeah, the we shoulda/coulda game is a tough game to play - but the execution of those Bouwmeester and Iginla trades truly were awful from top to bottom. What "prospects" we got were bad, the players selected with those 1st round picks haven't worked out...there's no surprise Weisbrod and Feaster are gone.

Theodore would be awesome to have. Can you imagine having Hickey, Fox, Andersson, Kylington, and Theodore progressing up the defensive ranks?

[BlackWallStreet]

Had high hopes for poirier when we drafted him... le sigh

[Tinordi]

We're actually arguing whether Poirier is a bust?

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, the we shoulda/coulda game is a tough game to play - but the execution of those Bouwmeester and Iginla trades truly were awful from top to bottom. What "prospects" we got were bad, the players selected with those 1st round picks haven't worked out...there's no surprise Weisbrod and Feaster are gone.

Theodore would be awesome to have. Can you imagine having Hickey, Fox, Andersson, Kylington, and Theodore progressing up the defensive ranks?

I would have been excited with theo, Burakovsky is also exactly the type of winger our top 6 needs.

[RM14]

Hopes were high but he as never really a blue chip. A lot of late 1st rounders don't make it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

We're actually arguing whether Poirier is a bust?

I'll say this: while Poirier may not produce a whole lot, he is one of the best forecheckers in this organization and considering our NHL squad kind of sucks at forechecking with a few exceptions, I think Poirier could make a home for himself as a puck retriever type. We've seen that the offensive skill is there, he just has to put it all together. With the exception of Derek Grant, guys have notoriously produced less under Huska than they have elsewhere. Even Baertschi had his least productive AHL season under Huska.

[Flash Walken]

When I look at the return Yandle got and compare it to the return Bouwmeester got, it makes me want to cry.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would say he is nearing the bust label and that it would not be out of the question to stick it to him. Of his draft class there are only three players from his round that have played less games - those being Sam Morin, Jason Dickinson, and Morgan Klimchuk. The next closest is Hunter Shinkaruk. There are 27 players selected after the 1st round who have played more. Seems pretty close to busting based on the draft list.

What should be most alarming is that three of the bottom five players for games played in that 1st round are all Flames property. Anyone still want to try and argue the Flames don't give their prospects the chance to develop like other teams do? It's that, or we have a serious problem with being able to draft and develop players.

The Flames simply can't pick in the 20-30 area. Outside of Backlund they have missed on nearly every single one going back over a decade. It's almost comical how bad they have picked in this area of the draft. Before we get too hard on the development side of the Flames we should remember that both Klimchuk and Poirier were widely considered guys that would be available in the 2nd round or later. The Flames reached on both and as often happens when you reach you miss.

Flames have done quite well recently with their drafted players from the OHL but I'm not sure who's responsible for scouting the QMJHL given the Poirier and McDonald picks I think this is an area the Flames need to look at hiring new scouts.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by gunnner

I really hope Poirier turns it around, but is it really that irrational to call Poirier a bust? At what point is it allowed? Is Yakopov still not a bust, just trending the wrong way, as he is only a year older? What about Alexander Daigle or Pavel Brendl, can we safely call them busts yet? Brian Lawton still got a shot?

At what point should we call him a bust? Probably when his contract is not renewed or if he's traded for little to nothing. Kid is still a prospect right now.

Klimchuk it is even more silly to call a bust considering how many injuries have affected his development since being drafted and considering he's trending the opposite way Poirier is.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

At what point should we call him a bust? Probably when his contract is not renewed or if he's traded for little to nothing. Kid is still a prospect right now.

Klimchuk it is even more silly to call a bust considering how many injuries have affected his development since being drafted and considering he's trending the opposite way Poirier is.

Klimchuk is very likely to make it to the NHL because his game works on so many levels. I'm glad he's showing some offensive prowess on the Heat (2nd in scoring behind Jankowski) but I believe he could eventually slot in anywhere in the bottom 6, and maybe even deputise on the 2nd line if need be.

Poirier is a bit of an enigma. He strikes me as the kind of player who might need a change of scenery to get going.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah missing on picks happens.

The real shame was we didn't get any grade A prospects back in those deals.

Hanowski & Agostino....

Cundari & Berra....

Imagine if we could have gotten a guy like Parayko from the blues at least, at that time he wasn't even a blue chip or anything.

Especially in the Bouwmeester trade, ok for Iginla you were really limited by his NTC and only wanting to go to the Penguins, but the Bouwmeester trade was just rushed.

[Flash Walken]

Bouwmeester trade is one of the worst trades in franchise history.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Bouwmeester trade is one of the worst trades in franchise history.

Which is funny to hear because he was the whipping boy around here. People hated him because he wasn't what we wanted him to be. So to hear that he didn't fetch enough sounds funny. Also speaks volumes about how Feaster really hurt the team with the Bouwmeester and Iginla trades. I'm glad Burke moved relatively quickly on firing Feaster.