2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[FireItUp]

Trade Gaudreau?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

While we're on the topic of trading Gaudreau, if I'm the Flames management I would be seriously considering that this offseason.

Gaudreau's career is eerily resembling Phaneuf's to a tee so far:

-both dominated in their respective league's after being drafted by the Flames including dominating performances at the WJ's
-2 of the (deservedly so) biggest hyped prospects in Flames history
-both spectacular in their rookie years and nominated for the Calder
-continued great play in the first 3 years leading to almost identical 6 year contract extensions and virtually everyone thinking they will be Flames franchise players for a long time going forward
-decline in play the 1st year after the contract extension with both visible differences on the ice (less speed for Johnny) and whispers of off-ice issues (Johnny having a lot more in common with Johnny Football than just the name)

While it's easy to say this is just an off year for Johnny and the blame could be partly on GG2.0 and the contract burden, i believe there is a very real chance he continues to drop off/flatten out like Dion and still be a decent player but not the superstar we thought/hoped he'd be.

This summer the market would still be very high for Johnny, especially for an eastern American team where he would also help sell a lot of tickets and the Flames would be wise to at least explore it as if he doesn't bounce back next year his trade value wouldn't be nearly as high.

For example if a team like Philly (Provorov/Konecny) or the Islanders (signed Tavares) was willing to overpay the Flames should be all over it.

Is that really needed?

[TheScorpion]

Yeah, we'll trade Johnny. To Chicago. With Freddie and Andersson for Kruger, Anisimov (who will fall off as soon as he gets here), van Riemsdyk, and Tootoo.

Man, the Dion similarities are just shocking!

[Weitz]

Can't trade Johnny. He just bought an expensive condo.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Can't trade Johnny. He just bought an expensive condo.

Give him the Josh Jooris treatment. Who cares? These guys aren't humans, they're but numbers on a spreadsheet!

/beane

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Can't trade Johnny. He just bought an expensive condo.

Probably bought Dion's old condo. OMG the similarities!!

[Flamenfame]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Sam is in no way better points wise than Barkov...take off your rose coloured glasses. Barkov is a freaking stud!

Barkov for Gaudreau would be a no brainer for me Big 1c who is a beast at both ends.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Probably bought Dion's old condo. OMG the similarities!!

Probably some joke there but no haha.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by theg69

I'm sorry, but your trade proposal is "sub-par". I will see my way out now.

The lack of patience with Sam Bennett is getting absolutely ridiculous. Where would we be if we traded Backlund at a similar stage of development?

Well depends what we traded him for.

Backlund is good, but if he's 1 of your 3 best players you aren't making the playoffs IMO.

People aren't saying give Bennett away, but a team always needs to be looking to improve and properly evaluate there players.

[t0rrent98]

I don't know much about this prospect but it sounds like Maxim Shalunov will not sign with the Chicago Blackhawks. Is this guy any good?

“There’s a 10 percent chance [of signing with the Blackhawks in the near future],” Babaev said in a phone interview with Powers on Friday.

Babaev and his client believe that there isn't nearly enough opportunity on Chicago's roster for his client to play top-six minutes, and for that reason there is very little incentive to come to North America.

[Jason14h]

One other thing I will say.

Philly had two young studs, and decided to trade them both in Carter and Richards.

Carter has had a good career but not a superstar, and Richard is out of the league.

Philly got very good value for these players and have won the trades in the long run.

You have to evaluate your players better then other teams, and be very careful about who you keep (and trade.)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

I don't know much about this prospect but it sounds like Maxim Shalunov will not sign with the Chicago Blackhawks. Is this guy any good?

6'4 212lbs, plays a PWF game similar to that of Nichushkin. Putting up decent numbers in the KHL as a 24 year old. Left shooting RW.

I'm always intrigued by players like this so I wouldn't mind the Flames kicking the old tire on him. If he pans out he can have a top 6 RW spot.

[ignite09]

Speaking of Nichuskin, I wonder what the ask is for him right now?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Speaking of Nichuskin, I wonder what the ask is for him right now?

Shooting from the hip here but I think he signed a two year deal in the KHL. Maybe he has an out clause. In any case, I can't see Dallas wanting to hold onto his rights but I also cannot see teams Ponting up too much for him either.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

One other thing I will say.

Philly had two young studs, and decided to trade them both in Carter and Richards.

Carter has had a good career but not a superstar, and Richard is out of the league.

Philly got very good value for these players and have won the trades in the long run.

You have to evaluate your players better then other teams, and be very careful about who you keep (and trade.)

I don't disagree with you there and this may in fact apply to Sam Bennett - who knows. However, I think the Gaudreau proposals are a knee jerk reaction.

For this same reason that you mentioned I would be careful of the Gallagher proposal. He had an outstanding season until his hand injury last year but had put up 40 points the two years before. Again, he had a weak season this year and had another hand injury. The lack of production and potential for that hand injury to be a bigger problem in his career is concerning.

[Beninho]

Didn't know this was HF. People need to F off with the Gaudreau trade talk. What kind of fans are you if you are willing to trade a player that has been nothing but spectacular since he entered the league when he is going through a rough patch. Johnny is elite and will get back on track, stop this trade Johnny talk, recency bias at its finest.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Didn't know this was HF. People need to F off with the Gaudreau trade talk. What kind of fans are you if you are willing to trade a player that has been nothing but spectacular since he entered the league when he is going through a rough patch. Johnny is elite and will get back on track, stop this trade Johnny talk, recency bias at its finest.

This is a trade speculation and rumours thread. If you don't like it, don't pay much attention to it.

I don't want to trade Gaudreau but if I was Treliving and Florida called to give me Barkov+1st for Gaudreau... I would think about it long and hard.

Then trade Bennett+Kylington for Landeskog and 1st Round Pick for Evander Kane

Landeskog-Monahan-Frolik
Tkachuk-Barkov-Kane
Ferland-Backlund-Versteeg

Being a GM is easy peezy

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

While we're on the topic of trading Gaudreau, if I'm the Flames management I would be seriously considering that this offseason.


-decline in play the 1st year after the contract extension with both visible differences on the ice (less speed for Johnny) and whispers of off-ice issues (Johnny having a lot more in common with Johnny Football than just the name)

In my view this is huge insult to Gaudreau to imply he is anything like Manzel. He has always demonstrated great character, a fairly humble demeanour and a love of Calgary and of the Flames. Gaudreau may make the odd mistake and at 23 is still learning some things - but he is a stand up character and we are lucky to have him on this team!

[Jason14h]

In my view this is huge insult to Gaudreau to imply he is anything like Manzel.

Manziel is a massive stretch. But whether he is more dedicated to working out or drinking outside the arena....

As you said he is a 23 year old and not a saint. But as the face of the franchise and a 7 million $ man, he need to ensure he is dedicated to hockey 24/7 now.

[theg69]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Well depends what we traded him for.

Backlund is good, but if he's 1 of your 3 best players you aren't making the playoffs IMO.

People aren't saying give Bennett away, but a team always needs to be looking to improve and properly evaluate there players.

That's basically my problem with the Bennett proposals. If we trade him now, we are trading him when his value is low. If we would've traded Backlund back then, we would've gotten likely a second or third rounder - which in all probability would've not been an NHL player (backlund spent most of his 20 year old season with Abbotsford where he didn't exactly tear it up and only 1 goal with the big team in 23 games).

i don't have a problem exploring all trades available, but trading a 20 year old player who is trying to learn one of the most difficult positions in hockey at an all time low trade value is borderline asinine.

The value in keeping Bennett to see what his potential is at this point far exceeds the actual value another team would offer us in a trade.

So no, the Avalanche will not give us Duchene for Bennett as some people have suggested.