[Rumour] Kypreos: Flames still kicking tires on MAF

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I hope the pens ask for a lot for Fleury, that way the Flames won't trade for him and hopefully they get stuck with him on the roster. Sure, they'll be able to buy him out before the expansion draft so they can protect Murray but that'll just hurt them in the long run.

I still think the Flames should be making offers for Murray. If Rutherford is dumb enough to think there's a high cost for Fleury, maybe he's dumb enough to trade away the better goalie

I would be okay with the Flames spending big on Murray if they did consider moving him. I would give Elliott/Johnson, Gillies/Parsons, Any prospect of Pitt's choice, and our 1st this year

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Depends. They can take the 2nd/prospect and MAF if he waives.

Or just one player because they will buy out MAF.

Murray will be Penguin next year no matter what.

I think what he is getting at is outside of Crosby or Malkin Murray is easily the best asset the Pens have. If I am McPhee there is nothing the Pens could realistically offer to let them leave Murray unprotected and for Vegas to pass.

Why would Vegas want a 2nd, prospect and Fleury over Murray who is the best young goalie in the game, signed cheap, and 9 years younger than MAF.

Fleury will be bought out, traded, or will for some reason agree to waive for Vegas. I agree with you in the fact Murray is going no where

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Depends. They can take the 2nd/prospect and MAF if he waives.

Or just one player because they will buy out MAF.

Murray will be Penguin next year no matter what.

Matt Murray >>>>>>>>>>>> Fleury + 2nd

Again, why does Vegas agree to that?

The idea is that if the Pens are offering Vegas not to pick a player, the pieces they give up have to be at least as valuable to Vegas as the player they want to pick.

Essentially, what is Matt Murray's trade value? That is what the Pens would need to offer Vegas.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Matt Murray >>>>>>>>>>>> Fleury + 2nd

Again, why does Vegas agree to that?

The idea is that if the Pens are offering Vegas not to pick a player, the pieces they give up have to be at least as valuable to Vegas as the player they want to pick.

Essentially, what is Matt Murray's trade value? That is what the Pens would need to offer Vegas.

I know what you are saying.

But there is 0% chance they get Murray.

So you can take MAF and picks and prospects. Or you just get 1 player.

If Vegas has interest and wants MAF and he will waive why wouldn't they take the trade and MAF?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I know what you are saying.

But there is 0% chance they get Murray.

So you can take MAF and picks and prospects. Or you just get 1 player.

If Vegas has interest and wants MAF and he will waive why wouldn't they take the trade and MAF?

Your logic makes no sense.

If Vegas isn't getting Murray (I agree, they aren't), it's because the Pens traded Fleury or bought him out.

So they don't have to offer anything to Vegas not to pick Murray, because they can't, because they will have protected him.

so.... what?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Your logic makes no sense.

If Vegas isn't getting Murray (I agree, they aren't), it's because the Pens traded Fleury or bought him out.

So they don't have to offer anything to Vegas not to pick Murray, because they can't, because they will have protected him.

so.... what?

I guess what I mean is if MAF agrees to waive, instead of buying him out they would offer an incentive for Vegas to take MAF.

So theoretically Vegas could have a 2nd rounder/prospect/whatever and MAF from the penguins.

Now that I think about it if he waives they can protect Murray. I think I may have confused myself.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I know what you are saying.

But there is 0% chance they get Murray.

So you can take MAF and picks and prospects. Or you just get 1 player.

If Vegas has interest and wants MAF and he will waive why wouldn't they take the trade and MAF?

Why would they give Pitt the ability to protect Murray?

If I am Vegas I make Pitt feel the pain for being in this spot. I also can't see Fleury ever waiving to play for an expansion team.

It really comes down to what Fleury wants. If he waived for Vegas the Pens have zero worries and do not need to sweeten any pot they expose Fleury and keep Murray. If he doesn't want to go anywhere and refuses to waive then he gets bought out. Lastly the Pens work out a trade between now and the draft for Fleury with another team

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I guess what I mean is if MAF agrees to waive, instead of buying him out they would offer an incentive for Vegas to take MAF.

So theoretically Vegas could have a 2nd rounder/prospect/whatever and MAF from the penguins.

Now that I think about it if he waives they can protect Murray. I think I may have confused myself.

but again, if Fleury agrees to waive (he won't), the Pens will just protect Murray.

So why would the Pens then give up anything? They wouldn't need to.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

but again, if Fleury agrees to waive (he won't), the Pens will just protect Murray.

So why would the Pens then give up anything? They wouldn't need to.

You are right, I was confusing myself somewhere along the line there.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why would Vegas accept this?

Murray >>>>>>> junk

If you had read the whole post instead of cherry picking one line I explained the reasoning. Vegas isn't getting Murray period.

[Ashasx]

maybe you should read the last page here

I read your post. it doesn't make sense.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

but again, if Fleury agrees to waive (he won't), the Pens will just protect Murray.

So why would the Pens then give up anything? They wouldn't need to.

Part of what I was saying was that the whole thing would be reliant on Fleury waiving to go to Vegas. Was that really so confusing?

[dino7c]

lol the asking price is high? for who?

I mean Dallas is out of the race, Blues have turned things around. Who is desperate for a goal tender? Price is not high, they likely pay to get rid of the guy

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

maybe you should read the last page here

I read your post. it doesn't make sense.

I did read the last page, seems most people understood. If you don't think there will be any deals where teams trade assets to Vegas to influence who they do or don't take then we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I did read the last page, seems most people understood. If you don't think there will be any deals where teams trade assets to Vegas to influence who they do or don't take then we'll have to agree to disagree.

that is an unbelievable reach to what I have posted

you are discussing things that simply won't happen and are illogical. that's all that original quoted post was saying.

[Red Menace]

don't see him as that much of an improvement on what we can get cheaper in UFA market (including Elliott & Johnson) to justify paying 2 more years at $5.75 for him.
That money is needed elswhere.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

that is an unbelievable reach to what I have posted

you are discussing things that simply won't happen and are illogical. that's all that original quoted post was saying.

It's a hockey board, people discuss trade possibilities. Good grief.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jacks

It's a hockey board, people discuss trade possibilities. Good grief.

I agree, and we can also discuss why some of these proposals don't make a lot of sense.

Hockey board, right?

[keenan87]

One of my dream scenarios would be if Tampa decides to hold onto Bishop and we can trade our 1st round pick for Andrei Vasilevskiy... kind of like the Schneider deal a few years ago.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

One of my dream scenarios would be if Tampa decides to hold onto Bishop and we can trade our 1st round pick for Andrei Vasilevskiy... kind of like the Schneider deal a few years ago.

That deal between Vancouver and NJ only worked because of the Canucks's position in a very strong draft. The Flames are not finishing in a position this season to pick in the top-ten, and the 2017 draft is notoriously much weaker than it has been since perhaps 2012.