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Old 02-14-2017, 07:21 PM   #1521
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In no way should anyone be penciling Andersson in or declaring he's ready...

but it's equally ignorant to write him off or concretely conclude he's a year or two away. He has been excellent in the AHL this year.

I think he's poised to make a big push in camp next season. I think it's fair to leave it at that.
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In no way should anyone be penciling Andersson in or declaring he's ready...

but it's equally ignorant to write him off or concretely conclude he's a year or two away. He has been excellent in the AHL this year.

I think he's poised to make a big push in camp next season. I think it's fair to leave it at that.
I would be surprised if Andersson or Kylington don't leapfrog Wotherspoon by the end of camp in terms of development. The organization may want to keep them in the AHL another year for some seasoning, but I think they both show better than Wotherspoon and perhaps even Jokipakka.

Maybe Brodie moves to Widemans spot next season and Kulak takes over the 2 line LD? Not saying hes ready.. but something has to give with Wotherspoon, Kulak and Jokipakka.

That maybe be where the Flames deal from a position of strength?
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i'm sorry, but it's high time we have a defence prospect force their way into the NHL lineup.

We need the upward pressure and contribution. There are opportunities there and if the current stock doesn't take advantage of the opportunities, then i won't be shedding a tear when the window closes because we've acquired a veteran who takes the role.
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:14 PM   #1524
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Old 02-14-2017, 11:41 PM   #1525
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Lazar is a solid risk to take with a 2nd rounder. Svens become a competent player. Lazar would be a good fit. Top 9 for sure. And a trade always seems to rejuvenate young players.
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Well a 1st is out of the question. And a 2nd is doubtful.

Lazar's ELC is expiring and the Sens will lose someone to the draft better than Lazar. They don't hold alot of cards if Lazar wants to make things bad for them. They're also 2nd in their division but could have things turn sour for them quickly, so they dont want a disgruntled player in that locker room when things are tense.
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Lazar is a solid risk to take with a 2nd rounder. Svens become a competent player. Lazar would be a good fit. Top 9 for sure. And a trade always seems to rejuvenate young players.
You'd give up a 2nd for a player with 1 point on the year and 36 points in 2.5 seasons? I sure wouldn't.
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You'd give up a 2nd for a player with 1 point on the year and 36 points in 2.5 seasons? I sure wouldn't.

Wasn't Drouin suffering under the same coach? I'm not putting much stock into the negative season Lazar has had under Boucher. It's also percieved to be a very shallow draft year. So outside of any complications of an expiring ELC in an expansion draft year, a 2nd round pick is a fairly safe bet.

Edit: and I'm not saying Lazar is anywhere as good as Drouin either, but that a player with greater skill was equally disgruntled under the same coach in the same system. Drouin is just fine now that he's out from under the boot of Boucher.

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Wasn't Drouin suffering under the same coach? I'm not nutting much stock into.the negative season Lazar has had under Boucher. It's also percieved to be a very shallow draft year. So outside of any complications of an expiring ELC in an expansion draft year, a 2nd round pick is a fairly safe bet.
The rationale one would think a 2nd round pick is a fairly safe bet is that you really believe Lazar has potential.

Drouin was a huge point producer in junior, and his difficulties made people question how translatable that success was to the NHL. He has really high upside, given his historical numbers and skills.

Lazar never put up big numbers until his post-draft year. I think Frolik is probably the max ceiling I would put on Lazar at this point, but when you are gambling with a 2nd round pick on a prospect who is under-performing, you hope his ceiling is higher. He seems like he would be more of a role-player than anything in this league.
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Lazar for Shinkaruk?
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Wasn't Drouin suffering under the same coach? I'm not putting much stock into the negative season Lazar has had under Boucher. It's also percieved to be a very shallow draft year. So outside of any complications of an expiring ELC in an expansion draft year, a 2nd round pick is a fairly safe bet.

Edit: and I'm not saying Lazar is anywhere as good as Drouin either, but that a player with greater skill was equally disgruntled under the same coach in the same system. Drouin is just fine now that he's out from under the boot of Boucher.
Even his 20 point output is not worth a 2nd though, at best Lazar will be a 3rd liner, right now he might even clear waivers.
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Even his 20 point output is not worth a 2nd though, at best Lazar will be a 3rd liner, right now he might even clear waivers.
Let's not be silly here. There's always room on a team looking for potential.
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i'd move a second round pick for Lazar
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Wasn't Drouin suffering under the same coach? I'm not putting much stock into the negative season Lazar has had under Boucher. It's also percieved to be a very shallow draft year. So outside of any complications of an expiring ELC in an expansion draft year, a 2nd round pick is a fairly safe bet.

Edit: and I'm not saying Lazar is anywhere as good as Drouin either, but that a player with greater skill was equally disgruntled under the same coach in the same system. Drouin is just fine now that he's out from under the boot of Boucher.
Drouin never played for Boucher, even for a training camp.

Drouin was drafted in June 2013. Boucher was fired by the Lightning on March 24, 2013.
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i'd move a second round pick for Lazar
I guess question begs, if you give up a 2nd for lazar, is he better than Ferland who would have to be exposed in the expansion draft, as you wouldn't expose lazar after giving up a 2nd.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:42 AM   #1536
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From Lebrun:

http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/...-any-team-bite

source says Kings have kicked around the idea of bringing in Iginla
not much traction on Iginla front, doesn't believe Colorado has received much interest in him yet

teams that strike out on Hanzal will turn their attention to Brian Boyle

Devils will likely move out Quincey and Parenteau at the deadline
Devils have 10 picks in the upcoming draft and will likely add more by selling at the deadline, which will allow them to be aggressive this summer

Leafs aren't going to mortgage their future, but worth noting they have LTIR cap room if they need it

not hearing San Jose mentioned in trade talks as much as he usually does and that might be because they did most of their work in the offseason



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The Bartkowski "signing" makes me think Jokipakka might be on the market or at the very least not in the Flames' plan for next season.

If Bartkowski was purely motivated by the expansion draft, then that likely means the Flames don't have plans on bringing back Jokipakka, as they could have met the expansion draft requirements by re-signing Jokipakka.
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The Bartkowski "signing" makes me think Jokipakka might be on the market or at the very least not in the Flames' plan for next season.

If Bartkowski was purely motivated by the expansion draft, then that likely means the Flames don't have plans on bringing back Jokipakka, as they could have met the expansion draft requirements by re-signing Jokipakka.
I was hoping because they are about to pull the trigger on Wideman for a #1 RW, but I suppose your theory makes a little bit more sense.
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I was hoping because they are about to pull the trigger on Wideman for a #1 RW, but I suppose your theory makes a little bit more sense.
More sense than Wideman garnering a #1 RW? Yea, just by a bit.
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More sense than Wideman garnering a #1 RW? Yea, just by a bit.
Depends on whether you think Iginla is still a #1 RW
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