What would Giordano fetch Flames at trade deadline

[ignite09]

Everyone here knows what NTC means right?

[Buck Murdock]

Wideman + Hanowski and a 3rd for Crosby.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Everyone here knows what NTC means right?

Means diddley squat if a Cup contender team wants Gio and also Gio wants to win now and the other offering is too good to pass up. Contractual conditions can be removed with an addendum to any clause at any time when agreed by both parties.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Everyone here knows what NTC means right?

The no trade clause, as it is used these days, means the player gets to pick where he is traded.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Means diddley squat if a Cup contender team wants Gio and also Gio wants to win now and the other offering is too good to pass up. Contractual conditions can be removed with an addendum to any clause at any time when agreed by both parties.

But most contenders won't get rid of important roster players, and are unlikely to have nice high picks. So what could they give you to make it worth trading your captain and D anchor?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

But most contenders won't get rid of important roster players, and are unlikely to have nice high picks. So what could they give you to make it worth trading your captain and D anchor?

more like what can be done to get rid of the anchor of a contract?
it's not just about now, but also about the next 5 years.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Hamilton hasn't caused Giordano to drop from 56 points to 30 (prorate).

This was talked about in the off season but going from Hartley's Active All D style of play to anything else was going to affect Brodie and Giordano's numbers, but no one thought this much. Hamilton's managed to weather that storm because he's still a young defender on the rise.

Or because Giordano is playing great defense and Hamilton can freely pinch to the goal line at times.

Meanwhile if Brodie takes a step in at the blue line it's pretty much a goal going the opposite way.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Hamilton has 11 more points than giordano.

Raise your hand if you thought Michael Freakin' Ferland would have more goals at this point in the season than giordano. Or Alex Chiasson for that matter.

Giordano's production drop has been more significant than anyone else on the roster. I don't think that is just coaching.

Obviously Gio isn't going to maintain his last couple years' production indefinitely.

But yes, I would argue Gulutzan is accountable for a good percentage of the drop.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Obviously Gio isn't going to maintain his last couple years' production indefinitely.

But yes, I would argue Gulutzan is accountable for a good percentage of the drop.

He's not on the first PP unit, which could account for some. I really don't think the defensive system is holding him down that much.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He's not on the first PP unit, which could account for some. I really don't think the defensive system is holding him down that much.

It's his 5 on 5 scoring that has dropped considerably this season from last season. He doesn't rush the puck ever these days nor does he pinch as offen. His role this season is more of a defensive stalwart this year and he's done a great job at that so far.

[Flash Walken]

if he's not on the first PP unit it's probably because he's produced jack and #### on the powerplay this year because he can't hit the net to score goals. And yet, the powerplay is improved statistically from last year.

His shooting percentage this year has dropped to nearly half of last year's percentage.

I'm open to arguments about why that is, but I don't think it's because he hasn't spent enough time on the powerplay. If he was a goal scoring machine, he'd be out there on the first unit.

[Buff]

He's just off with his shot this year. The past few years he was able to find an open lane and accurately snipe from the point. He's not finding that open lane, and as a result, not putting pucks in the net.

[Vaderade]

This team is very average, and not really close to being a contender. He's 33. It's an easy decision to make, in my opinion. Get a return while he still has value.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Vaderade

This team is very average, and not really close to being a contender. He's 33. It's an easy decision to make, in my opinion. Get a return while he still has value.

Giordano's skill set isn't overly reliant on his body, which bodes well for his career's potential longevity. He's always been most reliant on his intelligence and smart positioning more than any one physical skill, plus he's durable and doesn't have a significant history of injuries which nag at him. He's smallish but stocky & in a lot of ways he reminds me of Chris Chelios, who managed to be an annoyingly effective defenceman into his 40s. He provides solidity & leadership more than any other player on the team, and there's no reason to think he won't carry on doing so for the remainder of this contract & beyond.

Don't rip the heart-and-soul out of the dressing room because "he's 33". That act would pull the plug on this season & probably the next as a new leadership hierarchy establishes itself. It would also deplete our defence corps which is already the weakest area on the ice. It would signal another phase of rebuilding, and there's no point doing that now with so many promising young players learning the ropes. Let's not "Oilers" up this rebuild. Choose smart. Choose Giordano. Never choose "Oiler".

[redforever]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Giordano's skill set isn't overly reliant on his body, which bodes well for his career's potential longevity. He's always been most reliant on his intelligence and smart positioning more than any one physical skill, plus he's durable and doesn't have a significant history of injuries which nag at him. He's smallish but stocky & in a lot of ways he reminds me of Chris Chelios, who managed to be an annoyingly effective defenceman into his 40s. He provides solidity & leadership more than any other player on the team, and there's no reason to think he won't carry on doing so for the remainder of this contract & beyond.

Don't rip the heart-and-soul out of the dressing room because "he's 33". That act would pull the plug on this season & probably the next as a new leadership hierarchy establishes itself. It would also deplete our defence corps which is already the weakest area on the ice. It would signal another phase of rebuilding, and there's no point doing that now with so many promising young players learning the ropes. Let's not "Oilers" up this rebuild. Choose smart. Choose Giordano. Never choose "Oiler".

Intelligence - I'll check

Positioning- too slow and getting slower

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Don't rip the heart-and-soul out of the dressing room because "he's 33". That act would pull the plug on this season & probably the next as a new leadership hierarchy establishes itself. It would also deplete our defence corps which is already the weakest area on the ice. It would signal another phase of rebuilding, and there's no point doing that now with so many promising young players learning the ropes. Let's not "Oilers" up this rebuild. Choose smart. Choose Giordano. Never choose "Oiler".

Wow deja vu all over again from 2010. At any rate I haven't seen much heart and soul this year. Now that maybe GG fault, or it maybe Gio. Who knows, but the results are a coach that is just learning to be passionate and a team that seams disinterested when the going gets tough.

Given everything this season and the Iginla fiasco I say if you get a decent return you trade him. His contract is a boat anchor as soon as next season. He may still get value due to recent reputation.

Trading him maybe full Oiler, but sadly keeping him maybe going full Flame.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Trading him maybe full Oiler, but sadly keeping him maybe going full Flame.

That's kind of lose lose no? Save for a few brief periods of competency both organizations have been horrendous (Oilers all-time horrendous) for the most part over the past 25 years.

[kukkudo]

I think you keep him till you see a major drop off.

[d_phaneuf]

I'd move him in the summer or at the draft

He hasn't been as great this year but NHL reputation seems to be on delay mostly, it took the league a few years to recognize when he became a top d man, will probably take a year to see he might have moved back a bit

So some contender is going to pay for him as a top pairing guy

From the flames perspective I think the contention window probably opens in 2018/19 season if things go well and by then Gio is 35 and probly a 2nd pairing guy and starting to decline

If you can move him for a package involving a young d man and a young top 6 winger. The value is much better for the team going forward.

The window of this core is 2019-2025 based on the age of the young guys now. A move like above gives that team a much better chance I'm that window while taking a hit now when The ceiling of the team isn't as high

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

I'd move him in the summer or at the draft

He hasn't been as great this year but NHL reputation seems to be on delay mostly, it took the league a few years to recognize when he became a top d man, will probably take a year to see he might have moved back a bit

So some contender is going to pay for him as a top pairing guy

From the flames perspective I think the contention window probably opens in 2018/19 season if things go well and by then Gio is 35 and probly a 2nd pairing guy and starting to decline

If you can move him for a package involving a young d man and a young top 6 winger. The value is much better for the team going forward.

The window of this core is 2019-2025 based on the age of the young guys now. A move like above gives that team a much better chance I'm that window while taking a hit now when The ceiling of the team isn't as high

The Flames aren't a team that's close to winning a cup so this is really the most opportune time to trade him before the contract becomes an albatross for the organization. He can still play at a high level but his window is closing fast while the Flames haven't even got a frame up for their Stanley Cup window. The timelines for the player and organization simply don't match and regardless of how the defense would take a step back next season it would be prudent to move him while he has value.