Prior to the '90's this is exactly how star players would buy time and space out on the ice.
Not saying it is right, but the star players are getting keyed on with these little slashes on the hands over and over again, and the league seems disinterested in protecting the star/skilled players, so eventually they are going to take matters into their own hands. Most the star/skilled players have never fought anyone and they also don't want to risk injuring their money makers (hands), so it results in stick swinging incidents.
So when I say I wouldn't mind Gaudreau doing something similar, it's because the league is doing their job and protecting the players so he has to stick up for himself and he isn't going to fight anyone.
Would anyone here hesitate to have Duncan Keith on their team?
I know I wouldn't regardless of this, and you know guys are thinking about these incidents everytime they go into the corner with him and it probably buys him and extra split second from time to time.
If PED prevalence has taught us anything, guys will ALWAYS bend the rules and try gaining that little extra edge. The dollar difference between in contract extension getting 10 goals and 20 goals is huge. And how do get that extra ice time and trust to play with the big boys? Coaches love physical play. They love guys "sacrificing their body".
There's still hype over Ferland for one playoff series. If he did that every few games he'd get 18 minutes ice time, getting passes from Gaudreau and Giordano, and probably be a 20 goal scorer. He's now a 4 million dollar player. So sure, guys like Spurg will chop at Gaudreau all day long. He's "shutting down a super star" and therefore GMs think he's essential
Look at the look on Zetterburg's face at the very end of the clip. Even he is standing there knowing there is absolutely nothing he can say in defence of that play.
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Prior to the '90's this is exactly how star players would buy time and space out on the ice.
Not saying it is right, but the star players are getting keyed on with these little slashes on the hands over and over again, and the league seems disinterested in protecting the star/skilled players, so eventually they are going to take matters into their own hands. Most the star/skilled players have never fought anyone and they also don't want to risk injuring their money makers (hands), so it results in stick swinging incidents.
So when I say I wouldn't mind Gaudreau doing something similar, it's because the league is doing their job and protecting the players so he has to stick up for himself and he isn't going to fight anyone.
Would anyone here hesitate to have Duncan Keith on their team?
I know I wouldn't regardless of this, and you know guys are thinking about these incidents everytime they go into the corner with him and it probably buys him and extra split second from time to time.
Why are you putting in such an effort to justify players doing this crap to other players? Of course people always would want Keith, despite him being a dirty player at times, that does not mean this is acceptable behavior, and like Keith, Pronger, or Nyquist here, if Johnny did as you suggest he should, damn right I would support a good long suspension against him. You don't make players pay by chopping them in the face, you make them pay on the scoreboard, otherwise the only thing you're accomplishing is showing how easy it is for other players to get in your head and make you act out like a child, and they'll just whack away at you some more.
Why are you putting in such an effort to justify players doing this crap to other players? Of course people always would want Keith, despite him being a dirty player at times, that does not mean this is acceptable behavior, and like Keith, Pronger, or Nyquist here, if Johnny did as you suggest he should, damn right I would support a good long suspension against him. You don't make players pay by chopping them in the face, you make them pay on the scoreboard, otherwise the only thing you're accomplishing is showing how easy it is for other players to get in your head and make you act out like a child, and they'll just whack away at you some more.
Oh I am not saying that Nyquist doesn't deserve a long suspension, because he certainly does, and if Gaudreau did the same thing I would say he deserves a suspensions as well.
I am saying that by doing so he might get that extra split second of ice time he needs to make a play because guys might hesitate to slash for fear of getting a stick to the face, and then it might be worth taking the suspension.
You don't think players think twice when the go into the corner with Keith now, because they sure did with Pronger.
I am not saying it is right, but this is how hockey has worked going on a century now.
Why are you putting in such an effort to justify players doing this crap to other players? Of course people always would want Keith, despite him being a dirty player at times, that does not mean this is acceptable behavior, and like Keith, Pronger, or Nyquist here, if Johnny did as you suggest he should, damn right I would support a good long suspension against him. You don't make players pay by chopping them in the face, you make them pay on the scoreboard, otherwise the only thing you're accomplishing is showing how easy it is for other players to get in your head and make you act out like a child, and they'll just whack away at you some more.
I disagree with the bolded. Although I agree Nyquist should have the book thrown at him. No player should have to punish violence with clean play. It's either a physical sport where the justice is on the ice, or its laid out by the league fairly.
The problem is the league thinks it can walk the line of allowing it to be a physical game where players get a beating in the "dirty areas" and refs can "put the whistle away" but at the same time take away the on-ice justice. They don't want to be basketball but they also don't want to be the UFC. IMO, they're doing a terrible job walking this line.
You can't have players get away with cross checks but the guy who stands up for himself risk suspension or game ejection.
Another useless post that doesn't address the point. Mark Gio does it all the time and transplant99 did it and ran away when I had a reply about the subject.
Provide facts and address the posts or don't reply at all. Like most of the pro-fight crowd they make useless one liners like this and then disappear from the thread.
Another useless post that doesn't address the point. Mark Gio does it all the time and transplant99 did it and ran away when I had a reply about the subject.
Provide facts and address the posts or don't reply at all. Like most of the pro-fight crowd they make useless one liners like this and then disappear from the thread.
WTF? I replied to your post. Your point doesn't have any facts, yet you want them in return? That's like me saying "There is a god, prove to me there isn't one". The burden of proof is on you if you want an empirical based argument
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I remember when Gretzky fought. It was basically because for a short time he was being criticized for never standing up for himself and letting others fights. So he fought the easiest opponent he could find (it might have been Bozek) and got beaten up.
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Another useless post that doesn't address the point. Mark Gio does it all the time and transplant99 did it and ran away when I had a reply about the subject.
Provide facts and address the posts or don't reply at all. Like most of the pro-fight crowd they make useless one liners like this and then disappear from the thread.
We all know players used to cross check, spear, slash their opponents more (it was more than 10 years ago), but the fact of the matter is it did used to happen, how you can ignore that and and pretend it did not happen? With the decrease in fighting it seems like there are more cheap shot like this because players have no fear of being held accountable. I say it seems because I don't have numbers and it may just seem that way, but they certainly have no decreased. I know I would rather see Nyquist cross check Spurgeon back and try to pummel him rather than what happened.
And believe me, I'd rather get the Negan treatment than agree with anything MarkGio says.
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Another useless post that doesn't address the point. Mark Gio does it all the time and transplant99 did it and ran away when I had a reply about the subject.
Provide facts and address the posts or don't reply at all. Like most of the pro-fight crowd they make useless one liners like this and then disappear from the thread.
you'd almost say you're quite the enforcer on the subject.
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We all know players used to cross check, spear, slash their opponents more (it was more than 10 years ago), but the fact of the matter is it did used to happen, how you can ignore that and and pretend it did not happen? With the decrease in fighting it seems like there are more cheap shot like this because players have no fear of being held accountable. I say it seems because I don't have numbers and it may just seem that way, but they certainly have no decreased. I know I would rather see Nyquist cross check Spurgeon back and try to pummel him rather than what happened.
There's no way to prove it one way or otherwise. No website or person in the world tracks non-penalized infractions. If the ref misses them or doesn't call them, there's no way to know.
The pro-fight crowd is just as a subjective as the anti crowd. Nobody knows what works and what doesn't.
Meanwhile, the NHL, a league that has been vilified as a cesspool of mindless violence, has seen fewer than 200 of these every-man-in donnybrooks since the 1917 season. And many of those occurred either post- or pre-game when players already were milling about en masse. The truth is, it’s been decades since players last hopped over the boards in the midst of the action to engage in some family-style rough housing.
The most recent in-game brawl took place on Feb. 26, 1987, between the Bruins and the Quebec Nordiques.
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But I will say this. Spurgeon does the lazy thing and cross checks Nyquist from behind. Spurgeon SHOULD have imposed his body in the puck battle along the boards by trying to gain body position over Nyquist. Instead Spurg stands behind Nyquist and as soon as Nyquist looks like he has control of the puck he gets cross checked behind.
Nobody is talking about Spurgeon though. Because he's the "victim". Even though what Nyquist did was ####ed up, NOBODY would have an issue with Nyquist turning around and swinging his fists at Spurgeon's nose. He could go ape #### on Spurg and every one wouldn't call Nyquist dirty, or suspension worthy. Is a pummeling any less violent? This is the paradox of violence in the NHL right now.
Meh, nobody tracks this stuff. If a few guys stay on the bench, is that not defined as a line brawl. I was born after said date and I've seen it on live TV. When did the 3rd man in rule come into effect? Or when did the bench rule come into affect? Those were way after 1987. So why would the league make rules for extinct problems 15 years after the last event?
I don't understand how there are a few people in here who think that shot on Spurgeon was any accident.
I watched this game on NBC and it looked bad enough on first viewing, but then during the intermission they even showed a replay featuring a look on Nyquist's face just before he was about to commit that spear to Spurgeon's face, and Gus had an incensed and predatory look on his face while looking back at Jared. Basically an 'I'm gonna kill you' or 'You're dead meat' sort of look.
Yeah, that was NO accident. Nyquist should get at least 10 games for that.
