[Rumour] Barclays Center Is Dumping the Islanders

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are they considered the same franchise? Would the franchise records belong to the Stars or the Sharks?

I noticed the Sharks recognized some former Seal players recently but they came out in Sharks attire. Would have been cool to see the Seals attire but maybe they don't have the rights anymore. Or maybe the rights are meaningless and or belong to the NHL.

Not unusual to see some Nordiques or Whalers gear but would love to see more Seal gear.

You can find Seals replicas, but they're usually the green-gold or green-blue-gold iterations. I thought the teal and gold combination interesting because the arms stripes were higher up and they kinda looked football-style.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by nik-

The New York metro area rides the border of the Hartford Metro. Which is pretty close to in line with the statement.

It doesn't matter. What matters is distance, travel time, media access, and leaving the entire existing fan base behind.

I ran your idea past a friend of mine from Long Island, who is thoroughly familiar with the situation. I received the following answer (verbatim):

‘Fuggedaboutit.’

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It doesn't matter. What matters is distance, travel time, media access, and leaving the entire existing fan base behind.

I ran your idea past a friend of mine from Long Island, who is thoroughly familiar with the situation. I received the following answer (verbatim):

‘Fuggedaboutit.’

Except nothing in the statement addressed distance from the fanbase. I understand what you are saying. What I'm saying is that Hartford fits with the New York Metro area.

No one is under the impression that Hartford is close to Long Island based fans so I'm not sure why you keep going back to that. We get it. But right now it's a team without a home, and guess what, that might mean that proximity to their historic fanbase isn't the number one priority.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by nik-

Except nothing in the statement addressed distance from the fanbase. I understand what you are saying. What I'm saying is that Hartford fits with the New York Metro area.

No one is under the impression that Hartford is close to Long Island based fans so I'm not sure why you keep going back to that. We get it. But right now it's a team without a home, and guess what, that might mean that proximity to their historic fanbase isn't the number one priority.

Well if you are moving away from your season ticket holders you are full out relocating, and in that case you may as well move the team to Atlanta or Seattle.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Well if you are moving away from your season ticket holders you are full out relocating, and in that case you may as well move the team to Atlanta or Seattle.

Unless they get a sweetheart deal from Hartford and think they can make it work. There's no rule that you have to move a certain distance away if you relocate. I don't think Hartford is happening, but it's a possibility.

No one is moving to Atlanta.

[Jay Random]

You were the one arguing that the proximity of Hartford to New York was a point in Hartford's favour, nik-. It isn't. That has been thoroughly debunked. Now cut it out with the motte-and-bailey stuff.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You were the one arguing that the proximity of Hartford to New York was a point in Hartford's favour, nik-. It isn't. That has been thoroughly debunked. Now cut it out with the motte-and-bailey stuff.

Thoroughly debunked?

Because you asked your friend in Long Island and it's too far?

I think you have a pretty limited understanding of what thoroughly debunked is. I also never mentioned it being a point in it's favour, I said that mentioning new york metro doesn't necessarily rule it out. Pretty significant difference. So I'm sorry you misunderstood.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by nik-

Thoroughly debunked?

Because you asked your friend in Long Island and it's too far?

It is a FOUR HOUR DRIVE with LIGHT traffic from Long Island to Hartford. That's too far by any standard.

If you have better sources, let's hear them. Sneering at mine does not constitute a counter-argument.

I think you have a pretty limited understanding of what thoroughly debunked is.

Thanks, if I want an opinion about the quality of my understanding, I'll go to people who have sufficient understanding themselves to judge of the matter.

Furthermore, I am not the only person who posted information contrary to your absurd claim that Hartford is part of metropolitan NYC.

I also never mentioned it being a point in it's favour, I said that mentioning new york metro doesn't necessarily rule it out. Pretty significant difference. So I'm sorry you misunderstood.

But it is NOT New York metro, by anyone's definition. Hartford is no more a part of greater NYC than Philadelphia is. You blew a point of basic geography.

So I'm sorry you were wrong. But don't try to wriggle out by pretending you meant something else.

[nik-]

Your problem is that you're hung up on this next move being done to accommodate the existing fan base. That's not a given. Your sources, ie: your long Island friend, may want to prepare himself for that possibility.

The New York metro includes western Connecticut which borders the Hartford metro.

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Furthermore, I am not the only person who posted information contrary to your absurd claim that Hartford is part of metropolitan NYC.

Also, let me help you with that.

Originally Posted by nik-

The New York metro area rides the border of the Hartford Metro. Which is pretty close to in line with the statement.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by nik-

Your problem is that you're hung up on this next move being done to accommodate the existing fan base. That's not a given. Your sources, ie: your long Island friend, may want to prepare himself for that possibility.

Fine, but then why are they even saying that they don't want to move out of metro NYC? Your ENTIRE POINT was that they could move to Hartford and still be in metro NYC, which is WRONG.

The New York metro includes western Connecticut which borders the Hartford metro.

So what? It does not INCLUDE the Hartford metro.

Also, let me help you with that.

It was reported that the team would not move outside of metro NYC:

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

IMHO Hartford would be a great option but others think differently

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod

In response to NYI/Hartford, League source said: "I don't anticipate the Islanders' franchise moving out of the New York Metropolitan area"

You said that a move to Hartford would not be inconsistent with that. You were wrong. Hartford is not in metro NYC. David Pagnotta's source at the NHL said he did not anticipate the Islanders' leaving metro NYC to contradict the idea of moving it to Hartford. Period. End of story.

[nik-]

I'm just suggesting that a statement of "New York Metro" as an opening statement by an ownership group looking to move makes Hartford not too much of a stretch. You're just super hung up on literals and got pretty pissy as a result. I mean, I guess that's fair, because no ownership has ever said anything in the discussions of a team move and then not stood by those early statements 100%.

It's ok, I forgive you.

I'm still laughing at your "thoroughly debunked" though. That was pretty funny.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm just suggesting that a statement of "New York Metro" as an opening statement by an ownership group looking to move makes Hartford not too much of a stretch.

Except that it wasn't an opening statement by an ownership group, it was a statement to the media by a source speaking for the league itself. But hey, don't let basic facts get in the way of your narrative.

You're just super hung up on literals

You mean, I think words mean things, and that if you quote them you should not interpret them as meaning the exact opposite? Yeah, I'm funny that way. I note that you're not. You seem honestly incapable of recognizing when a fact is contrary to your opinion.

and got pretty pissy as a result.

No, I got pissy because you are stonewalling on an obviously absurd position. You said that the Islanders could move to Hartford and not leave metropolitan New York. I said that was wrong. Now you're expelling all kinds of rhetorical flatulence trying to distract attention from the sole issue at hand, which is that IF the Islanders stay in metropolitan New York, they CANNOT move to Hartford.

I mean, I guess that's fair, because no ownership has ever said anything in the discussions of a team move and then not stood by those early statements 100%.

Which would be relevant if an owner had even been talking. It isn't.

It's ok, I forgive you.

I reject that, as I have done nothing that requires forgiving.

I'm still laughing at your "thoroughly debunked" though. That was pretty funny.

Yeah, somebody who doesn't believe in the Law of Non-Contradiction must get a lot of cheap giggles from people who use facts.

[nik-]

Who says they stay in the New York Metro? This is what you just can't seem to wrap your head around. A statement of intent to the media isn't an obligation.

You're putting way too much faith in a generic statement.

I am, in fact, overwhelmed by your staggering use of facts to counter things I never said, but which you cannot seem to accept I never said. Kudos.

[1Nite]

Everyone is wrong, I have the true facts, was at Orange Julius, and heard from a "Insider" that they are moving to Staten Island, The Staten Ilanders.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by nik-

Who says they stay in the New York Metro? This is what you just can't seem to wrap your head around. A statement of intent to the media isn't an obligation.

You're putting way too much faith in a generic statement.

I am, in fact, overwhelmed by your staggering use of facts to counter things I never said, but which you cannot seem to accept I never said. Kudos.

You said that moving to Hartford was not inconsistent with staying in metropolitan New York. You were wrong. That's all. Admit it, for crying out loud.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You said that moving to Hartford was not inconsistent with staying in metropolitan New York. You were wrong. That's all. Admit it, for crying out loud.

Did I not say that Hartford wasn't New York met pretty much immediately? Do you understand that maybe their word isn't bond?

I guess I assumed a general understanding that this is all nothing statements. And that maybe moving a little bit further wasn't out of the realm of possibility. I'll admit that was a mistake. I shouldn't have assumed that.

[sureLoss]

Looks like a group of investors including the owner of the Rangers is going to build a new home for the Islanders

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-for-islanders

Strange situation, would be like Katz investing in CalgaryNEXT or whatever arena the Flames end up building

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like a group of investors including the owner of the Rangers is going to build a new home for the Islanders

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-for-islanders

Strange situation, would be like Katz investing in CalgaryNEXT or whatever arena the Flames end up building

I wonder if the Rangers are eying it as their future home since MSG only has, what, 6 years left?

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/4/26/11512...ion-too-costly

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

I wonder if the Rangers are eying it as their future home since MSG only has, what, 6 years left?

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/4/26/11512...ion-too-costly

Guess NHL will be joining the NFL and NBA in having two teams play out of the same venue.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

I wonder if the Rangers are eying it as their future home since MSG only has, what, 6 years left?

http://ny.curbed.com/2016/4/26/11512...ion-too-costly

I believe this is an old plan now. The current plan for Penn station keeps MSG where it is.