Bruins fire Julien

[calgarygeologist]

They rumours of him getting fired have been going on for a few weeks now. I've only watched a few Bruins games this year and I haven't followed the "drama" at all. What has led to the firing? The team stats don't look too bad. They are on the outside of a playoff spot looking in but certainly not out of it.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

They rumours of him getting fired have been going on for a few weeks now. I've only watched a few Bruins games this year and I haven't followed the "drama" at all. What has led to the firing? The team stats don't look too bad. They are on the outside of a playoff spot looking in but certainly not out of it.

the sub par management team that put together such a poor team won't fire themselves, so the coach has to go.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

the sub par management team that put together such a poor team won't fire themselves, so the coach has to go.

They already fired Chiarelli, what more do you want?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Unfortunately for us, the Canucks make a lot of sense for Julien. They're only a few months away from Willie D's contract coming up and may just decide to pounce early.

Hahaha! No. The Canucks make NO SENSE to a coach like Julien who will want to pick his spot on a team that is poised to compete for a Stanley Cup. The Canucks are about as far away as a team can get from that goal, and Julien has ample time to weigh his options.

What a ridiculous idea.

Gulutzan is clearly not the answer here but I can't see Brad bailing on him this early without putting his own job on the line. "The process" is going to hurt us here.

The only thing "clear" about Gulutzen so far is that he is a structured coach who employs a fairly consistent system of puck possession. To add to that the Flames special teams have been lights out since after the first few weeks of the season. I will agree with you that Treliving will not change coaches after handing Gulutzen 2/3 of a single season, but I disagree heartily that this will be a mistake. This team is still a couple of years away, and I don't think that Gulutzen has amply demonstrated that he is "not the answer." I want to see more.

[burn_baby_burn]

I think the Flames hired a coach like GG because established coach's who have options will not want to live in Calgary. It's cold and has a high cost of living compared to most American markets. I really think our geographic location hurts the Flames (Oilers too before McJesus fell in their lap, and Winnipeg). Unless the Flames are willing to grossly overpay for Julien, I doubt he would even consider a job here anyway.

[sketchyt]

This is what Cam Neely had to say about it:

"These decisions are not easy, and Don has my full support. I believe that we have a better team than our results to date show. I also recognize that there are areas that we as a group need to improve upon."

Sweet leadership by Neely. All I could think of when I read that:

[Red Menace]

There are only 31 of these positions open...Coaches are not going to be too picky about where they can find a job.
I like Julien a lot, but don't think Flames can really justify firing GG at the moment.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

There are only 31 of these positions open...Coaches are not going to be too picky about where they can find a job.
I like Julien a lot, but don't think Flames can really justify firing GG at the moment.

The Bruins are going to be paying him for another 1.5 years I believe someone posted. He doesn't have to rush into anything.

[spuzzum]

I wonder if Vegas will pick him up and pay him gobs of money.

[Erick Estrada]

I can't see Julian accepting another job until the offseason. It's a good opportunity for him to relax and access some of the team's that may have openings in the offseason.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

0-4 against Edmonton.

and terrible goal tending in 3 of the 4 games...kinda proves his point

fourth was a SO loss

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I think the Flames hired a coach like GG because established coach's who have options will not want to live in Calgary. It's cold and has a high cost of living compared to most American markets. I really think our geographic location hurts the Flames (Oilers too before McJesus fell in their lap, and Winnipeg). Unless the Flames are willing to grossly overpay for Julien, I doubt he would even consider a job here anyway.

Cost of living is important for the middle class, but completely irrelevant if you're making $3M US a year. I would think that there are more than a few Canadians living in the US right now who wouldn't mind moving their families back to Canada if they can make the same money here.

It's not like Boston, or most NHL cities for that matter, are some tropical paradise. They still get winter in most of them. The most likely reason that Julien won't be coming here is that there isn't likely to be a head coaching job opening here for at least another year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Actually they got bumped out last night and could find themselves 4 points out of WC2 by the end of today.

And this is unrelated to my comment, just leaving this here for comparison sake as it might be relevant to the coaching discussion.

Flames record at the end of February 7th, 2016
23-25-3

Flames record at the end of February 6th, 2017
27-25-3

How do you figure that? they are tied in points with St. Louis and one point back of LA...pretty sure those teams don't have double headers tonight

At WORST they are 3 points back of WC1 after tonight

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I think the Flames hired a coach like GG because established coach's who have options will not want to live in Calgary. It's cold and has a high cost of living compared to most American markets. I really think our geographic location hurts the Flames (Oilers too before McJesus fell in their lap, and Winnipeg). Unless the Flames are willing to grossly overpay for Julien, I doubt he would even consider a job here anyway.

I agree with the cold assessment, don't buy the high cost of living at all. Alberta is still a favourable tax jurisdiction to a lot of the East and West Coast desirable destinations, the price of a house in Calgary is pretty standard (nowhere near as inflated as people here seem to think when not comparing to Texas or some other Southern State), and he would be getting paid in US dollars while all of his expenses are in CDN.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How do you figure that? they are tied in points with St. Louis and one point back of LA...pretty sure those teams don't have double headers tonight

Yep, I was mistaken about the 4 points. St. Louis occupies the 2nd WC and plays Ottawa tonight. 2 points back if St. Louis wins and Calgary loses.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Yep, I was mistaken about the 4 points. St. Louis occupies the 2nd WC and plays Ottawa tonight. 2 points back if St. Louis wins and Calgary loses.

and 3 back of WC1 if LA wins and Calgary losses...plus they play LA a billion times still

Tonight is a really big game for Calgary regardless, just saying its not quite as bad as you thought

[polak]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That's not even remotely true.

Take out that 6 game win streak and our point per game percentage would be 3rd last in the league.

Of course, that 6 game win streak did happen so they're clearly capable of being a decent team. I'm just arguing that cherry picking stats is dumb and the Flames have been bad a lot more than they have been good this season so firing GG isn't some crazy notion.

[FanIn80]

How do coaching contracts work? Can he even be under contract with two teams at the same time?

I assume that he can't, so could we potentially get him for cheap? Could we get Boston to pay for half of his contract with us in exchange for signing him and nullifying his contract with them? Instead of paying 3m for him to sit for a year and a half, they pay 1.5m while he's our coach?

Keep in mind I'm a crackhead when it comes to understanding how these contracts are structured, so go easy on me.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by SixPoundBurrito

Take out that 6 game win streak and our point per game percentage would be 3rd last in the league.

Of course, that 6 game win streak did happen so they're clearly capable of being a decent team. I'm just arguing that cherry picking stats is dumb and the Flames have been bad a lot more than they have been good this season so firing GG isn't some crazy notion.

You're removing the team's best stretch of games to prove your point and then saying cherry picking stats is dumb?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

How do coaching contracts work? Can he even be under contract with two teams at the same time?...

It doesn't't really matter, since the Flames will not make a push for Julien, and even if they did, I am almost certain that he will be in no hurry to coach any more this season. Julien will wait until the off season at the earliest, and might even bide his time until the 2018 season once his contract expires.