Sean Monahan. Consistent performer from season to season.

[timbit]

The Flames are still 2 to 3 years away from being a Stanley Cup contender.

A lot of fans have a tough time with that. Monahan and Bennett will be a big part of it.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Now I'm confused. You are suggesting Monahan may get more "physically involved" but not play a more "physical style"?

You seemed to put it together. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those two things are not the same at all.

We haven't seen him use his size to his advantage much (coming into the league as a teenager), but he's just now filling into his adult frame as he's 22 which is typically around the age men stop growing.

Seeing young NHLers at that age fill out and use their size more effectively (board battles, one on one etc) doesn't have to equate to changing into a different style of player.

As per usual, you seem like you're looking to be needlessly argumentative for no reason.

[debil]

i'd love to share your optimism but i see what i see. he's just role player able to score goal on pp unit but that's all, no franchise center.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by debil

i'd love to share your optimism but i see what i see. he's just role player able to score goal on pp unit but that's all, no franchise center.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by debil

i'd love to share your optimism but i see what i see. he's just role player able to score goal on pp unit but that's all, no franchise center.

No, you wouldn't, so don't pretend.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by debil

i'd love to share your optimism but i see what i see. he's just role player able to score goal on pp unit but that's all, no franchise center.

Wow seriously..? Take out his slow starts and he's a top 5 center in the league - right now he's easily in the top 15... He's so much more than a PP gun.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You seemed to put it together. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those two things are not the same at all.

We haven't seen him use his size to his advantage much (coming into the league as a teenager), but he's just now filling into his adult frame as he's 22 which is typically around the age men stop growing.

Seeing young NHLers at that age fill out and use their size more effectively (board battles, one on one etc) doesn't have to equate to changing into a different style of player.

As per usual, you seem like you're looking to be needlessly argumentative for no reason.

There is no difference between playing a more physical style and becoming more
physically involved. You contradicted yourself and are trying to parse words for the sake of arguing and conveniently ignored that I asked twice for an example of players that you are thinking of.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There is no difference between playing a more physical style and becoming more
physically involved. You contradicted yourself and are trying to parse words for the sake of arguing and conveniently ignored that I asked twice for an example of players that you are thinking of.

Maybe it's like this: a player has a certain style of play, made up of multiple criteria. They can then play that style more or less physical. I don't think the terms are as equal as you do.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Maybe it's like this: a player has a certain style of play, made up of multiple criteria. They can then play that style more or less physical. I don't think the terms are as equal as you do.

If one of the elements of a players style is how physical they are, and they start to play more physical aren't they starting to play a more physical style?

I guess I just don't understand how the distinction is relevant. It's not like playing a more physical style means becoming an enforcer.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If one of the elements of a players style is how physical they are, and they start to play more physical aren't they starting to play a more physical style?

I guess I just don't understand how the distinction is relevant. It's not like playing a more physical style means becoming an enforcer.

Physical play is not always used to define a player's style. A simplification, but you might describe a player as north-south. We might collectively say a group of players play "north-south" styles, yet they will certainly be different in how physically involved they are.

Ferland plays a physical style. If Gaudreau plays more physically involved, they're not suddenly playing more like each other.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Strange Brew just needs to move away from the pedantry.

If I say Sean Monahan has the potential to play more physical, be stronger in puck battles, harder to knock off the puck it doesn't mean he's now playing a more physical style. He's just getting better at things he has to do every single game.

Something he was very good at in juniors by the way.

[HappyGilmore]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You seemed to put it together. That's exactly what I'm saying. Those two things are not the same at all.

We haven't seen him use his size to his advantage much (coming into the league as a teenager), but he's just now filling into his adult frame as he's 22 which is typically around the age men stop growing.

Seeing young NHLers at that age fill out and use their size more effectively (board battles, one on one etc) doesn't have to equate to changing into a different style of player.

As per usual, you seem like you're looking to be needlessly argumentative for no reason.

I'd agree with you if we were talking about a rookie 18 year old in terms of growth (adult frame? Wtf?!) but at this point what you see is what you get. Not sure what you consider "filling" out is..he's tall and he's lanky, packing on more weight at this point would be an actual task, (calorie counting, macros, etc) and would change his already lacking foot speed also factor in the style of player he is and always has been. How much did he use his size advantage when he with the 67s competing with a bunch of "teen frames" any scouting report will agree.

God forbid someone disagree with you.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There is no difference between playing a more physical style and becoming more
physically involved.

Yes there is, and this post is just another line in a long example of what you do all the time on this site. Arguing needlessly, semantics, playing devli's advocate etc.

Playing a physical style clearly means that physicality is a large part of one's game. A *young* player who doesn't play physical may become more physically engaged as they fill out their frame without being known as having a physical style. That couldn't be a more simple concept.


It's honestly a waste of time talking with you when you pull stuff like this.

[Vinny01]

Glad Monahan has got himself back on pace for his typical numbers. Having a solid 60+pt 30 goal threat is awesome but I do hope, believe, and expect Monahan to elevate those numbers to 70pt 35 goal as he gets closer to his mid 20's

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Yes there is, and this post is just another line in a long example of what you do all the time on this site. Arguing needlessly, semantics, playing devli's advocate etc.

Playing a physical style clearly means that physicality is a large part of one's game. A *young* player who doesn't play physical may become more physically engaged as they fill out their frame without being known as having a physical style. That couldn't be a more simple concept.


It's honestly a waste of time talking with you when you pull stuff like this.

I swear you only read what you want to read.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by HappyGilmore

I'd agree with you if we were talking about a rookie 18 year old in terms of growth (adult frame? Wtf?!) but at this point what you see is what you get. Not sure what you consider "filling" out is..he's tall and he's lanky, packing on more weight at this point would be an actual task, (calorie counting, macros, etc) and would change his already lacking foot speed also factor in the style of player he is and always has been. How much did he use his size advantage when he with the 67s competing with a bunch of "teen frames" any scouting report will agree.

God forbid someone disagree with you.

You might want to google at which age the human body finishes growing if that statement dumbfounded you so much. And it's not at all uncommon for players to "fill out" in their early 20s.

This all started when it was suggested he yet become more physically engaged now that he's 22 to which you over-reacted and suggested his whole "life" dictates that's unlikely.

You seem to be the one so put off someone's suggesting otherwise.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I swear you only read what you want to read.

It doesn't really matter what I say at this point, you're just doing the same thing you always do. Three people have explained the same thing to you in the last five posts. It wouldn't' surprise me in the least to find out you don't even disagree with what's being said here.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Strange Brew just needs to move away from the pedantry.

If I say Sean Monahan has the potential to play more physical, be stronger in puck battles, harder to knock off the puck it doesn't mean he's now playing a more physical style. He's just getting better at things he has to do every single game.

Something he was very good at in juniors by the way.

The original assertion was that Monahan would get more "physically involved" which is different than being stronger on the puck and winning puck battles. I agree Monahan can get better there, in part through experience and being smarter.

I asked Go Jets Go to provide an example of a young forward who got more physically involved after 3+ years in the league. Instead of responding, it turned into a discussion of the difference between being "more physically involved" vs. playing "more physical style". Which is a totally inane debate and I regret getting involved.

[HappyGilmore]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Strange Brew just needs to move away from the pedantry.

If I say Sean Monahan has the potential to play more physical, be stronger in puck battles, harder to knock off the puck it doesn't mean he's now playing a more physical style. He's just getting better at things he has to do every single game.

Something he was very good at in juniors by the way.

LOL. "Stronger" in puck battles but that's not pyscial. Hard to "knock" off the puck? Nah that's not pyscial. His stick is a magicwand and he avoids body contact while remaing pysical.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The original assertion was that Monahan would get more "physically involved" which is different than being stronger on the puck and winning puck battles. I agree Monahan can get better there, in part through experience and being smarter.

I asked Go Jets Go to provide an example of a young forward who got more physically involved after 3+ years in the league. Instead of responding, it turned into a discussion of the difference between being "more physically involved" vs. playing "more physical style". Which is a totally inane debate and I regret getting involved.

And there it is. You don't disagree with what's been said. You just want argue semantics and challenge what certain terms might mean to you despite the fact what's being talked about is clear when put in context of the discussion.