Scottsdale is built out. They have to move businesses out to make space for others. There are major restrictions in place that prevent development in parts of town. That doesn't even take into consideration the constraints of geography and topology. Scottsdale is constrained by the Salt River Reserve (which you didn't even know was not Scottsdale land), the McDowell Mountains, Phoenix, Paradise Valley, Cave Creek/Carefree, and National Forest lands. There is extremely small pockets for commercial development and all have been spoken for. City of Scottsdale isn't building anything major, nor allowing for that commercial development. They have invested over a $1 billion in buying up parcels of land to maintain the pristine Sonoran Desert in the community. You may see some more residential community development, designed to maintain the Sonoron Desert feel, but commercial development is pretty much done.
You know your stuff.
I personally think the ASU student population that close is simply icing on the cake for the team. The location the team has chosen as part of the ASU district development is honestly the best location in the entire valley to build this arena. Moreso than even Scottsdale. Which in reality is only 3-5 minutes to the north.
I bought a place in Gilbert over the weekend so i'm definitely happy with this news! I've lived in the West Valley as well (Surprise) and I couldn't imagine living out there again.
Scottsdale is built out. They have to move businesses out to make space for others. There are major restrictions in place that prevent development in parts of town. That doesn't even take into consideration the constraints of geography and topology. Scottsdale is constrained by the Salt River Reserve (which you didn't even know was not Scottsdale land), the McDowell Mountains, Phoenix, Paradise Valley, Cave Creek/Carefree, and National Forest lands. There is extremely small pockets for commercial development and all have been spoken for. City of Scottsdale isn't building anything major, nor allowing for that commercial development. They have invested over a $1 billion in buying up parcels of land to maintain the pristine Sonoran Desert in the community. You may see some more residential community development, designed to maintain the Sonoron Desert feel, but commercial development is pretty much done.
I have no idea why I am discussing this with you because you are incapable of rational discourse, so this will be my last post on the matter.
Literally every city/town experiences those things I (bolded ^) in their core. That is normal, and cities are constantly upgrading by replacing older buildings with newer.
However, suggesting Scottsdale is built out is lunacy. There are entire sections of undeveloped land all over the place if you want to look outside of the core. But you don't, because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Scottsdale is 477 square kms with a population of 226k
Tempe is 102 square kms, with a population of 166k and one of the largest university campuses in America.
It is truly amazing how much construction there is around Scottsdale, considering that it is entirely built out already. They must be magicians, those city planners.
I personally think the ASU student population that close is simply icing on the cake for the team. The location the team has chosen as part of the ASU district development is honestly the best location in the entire valley to build this arena. Moreso than even Scottsdale. Which in reality is only 3-5 minutes to the north.
I bought a place in Gilbert over the weekend so i'm definitely happy with this news! I've lived in the West Valley as well (Surprise) and I couldn't imagine living out there again.
Thank you, but don't tell Enoch Root that. He drives through Scottsdale and sees all of that empty space thinking it is up for development. Even when you try and explain to these people what the City of Scottsdale has done to prevent future expansion they stick with their uninformed views and make claims that are not supported through zoning nor development rights. I mean, there are entire sections of undeveloped land all over the place! Yes, those lands have been bought by the City of Scottsdale and identified as protected spaces to preserve the Sonoron Desert. I know, it's weird to bring facts into the mix, but there they are. But I'm the one who is incapable of rational discourse.
Congrats on the new place in Gilbert. That's really developing into a great little city. The work they have done downtown is amazing. It has really given it a great feel and is an awesome place to go for dinner and drinks. Not quite as urban as Chandler, which gives it an awesome feel. That is going to be a great investment, especially if you're close to the temple. Also going to be great for going to games. Enjoy it.
Enoch, I'm only yanking your chain. I'm sure you just aren't aware of the restrictions in Scottsdale or the land they have bought up and earmarked for protection.
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Thank you, but don't tell Enoch Root that. He drives through Scottsdale and sees all of that empty space thinking it is up for development. Even when you try and explain to these people what the City of Scottsdale has done to prevent future expansion they stick with their uninformed views and make claims that are not supported through zoning nor development rights. I mean, there are entire sections of undeveloped land all over the place! Yes, those lands have been bought by the City of Scottsdale and identified as protected spaces to preserve the Sonoron Desert. I know, it's weird to bring facts into the mix, but there they are. But I'm the one who is incapable of rational discourse.
Congrats on the new place in Gilbert. That's really developing into a great little city. The work they have done downtown is amazing. It has really given it a great feel and is an awesome place to go for dinner and drinks. Not quite as urban as Chandler, which gives it an awesome feel. That is going to be a great investment, especially if you're close to the temple. Also going to be great for going to games. Enjoy it.
I guess the whole process of considering Bell and the 101 as a location was merely a mistake that could have been avoided if they had simply asked you first.
Thank you, but don't tell Enoch Root that. He drives through Scottsdale and sees all of that empty space thinking it is up for development. Even when you try and explain to these people what the City of Scottsdale has done to prevent future expansion they stick with their uninformed views and make claims that are not supported through zoning nor development rights. I mean, there are entire sections of undeveloped land all over the place! Yes, those lands have been bought by the City of Scottsdale and identified as protected spaces to preserve the Sonoron Desert. I know, it's weird to bring facts into the mix, but there they are. But I'm the one who is incapable of rational discourse.
Congrats on the new place in Gilbert. That's really developing into a great little city. The work they have done downtown is amazing. It has really given it a great feel and is an awesome place to go for dinner and drinks. Not quite as urban as Chandler, which gives it an awesome feel. That is going to be a great investment, especially if you're close to the temple. Also going to be great for going to games. Enjoy it.
Enoch, I'm only yanking your chain. I'm sure you just aren't aware of the restrictions in Scottsdale or the land they have bought up and earmarked for protection.
I am, actually - maybe not to the same degree as you are though. (Even though I am surrounded by it.)
Nonetheless, you have spoken like there is zero land available. And that is a ridiculous notion, despite the issues you have raised.
I guess the whole process of considering Bell and the 101 as a location was merely a mistake that could have been avoided if they had simply asked you first.
There are problems in that location because of Airpark. They would have had design restrictions to deal with. That has always been a difficulty with that area. Plus the local communities were not in favor of the development. There is no way the residents at Grayhawk would have been behind that. Also, I think there is some of the protected lands in there after looking at the map.
There are problems in that location because of Airpark. They would have had design restrictions to deal with. That has always been a difficulty with that area. Plus the local communities were not in favor of the development. There is no way the residents at Grayhawk would have been behind that.
There are always issues, and resistance from locals. Maybe it could have gotten off the ground, maybe not. But at least this was a reasonable rebuttal, thanks.
Anyway, I have been part of this derailment for far too long. The new site is a big improvement on the old site, and I sincerely hope they can make a go of it. I continue to believe that the campus, and its student body, is irrelevant, but the location serves a lot more people than just the ASU campus.
One of the complaints about Glendale was the distance from the airport While I never really bought that argument, there is no doubt that it isn't an issue with this site.
The arena location is beyond perfect. I always considered where the 202 and 101 meet to be the center point of the entire valley. I can predict that Arizona State is going to be top 3 in hockey within 10 years. The accelerated growth in their D1 team is unstoppable. I mean come on, players from Canada moving to paradise with the hottest girls and play in a state of the art facility. Why ever say no?
I'm not too familiar with the area but went to a Coyotes game a couple years ago. The arena seemed like a great location - IIRC close to a major freeway, shops right outside the arena, outlet shopping on one side and the Cardinals stadium on the other, plus higher end housing near the stadium. Aside from proximity to the airport what are the big drawbacks to Gila River Arena?
Yeah, until the massively powerful and influential ASU lobbyists hit up the capital.. That land needs to be developed and the Coyotes will be just part of that. Paying 50% of the build is more than fair.
A plan to build a new home for the Arizona Coyotes in Tempe is dead.
Arizona State University on Friday evening said the university "has no intention of proceeding to sign a development agreement or an option to lease or any other agreement with the Coyotes."
The way that is worded, sounds like the Coyotes pissed off ASU somehow
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
Shocking. This deal was prematurely announced at start, without leg work having been done for financial, political and architectural plans.
