2 dead & 6 injured as teens take after hours sled ride down Winsport bobsleigh track

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I never said that their faith didn't help them cope. I get that some people cope using religion. I never once questioned whether or not their faith helps them. I also didn't "compare them to opiate addicts." I used an extreme example of how people can use ways to modify their internal feelings that are based on faulty ideas. My apologies if I put the dots too far apart.

My criticism of them thanking a higher power is because it's a false premise. The EMTs and first responders that attended to the survivors are responsible for saving those kids. Give them the proper credit.

If a god was really on the job to save people from harm you'd think that he/she/whatever would have kept those kids from dying or the one from losing his eye. So, either the premise of thanking god for saving those kids is false because the other ones died or the concept of divine intervention is. If god saves people from death then he/she/whatever lets people die. If that is the case then maybe don't intimate that he/she/it wanted your kid to live while the other two died.

Holy over-the-top comparison. You realize this is a discussion board, right? I don't picket funerals or tell people that their relatives are just dead when they bring up an afterlife. I'm not ringing up the parents of the dead kids and correcting them. On the same token, if someone would have told me that when my Dad died that he was "in a better place" I probably would have laid them out. Get out of my kitchen with that spoiled food.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct and I am allowing people to cope in their own way. I think the premise is faulty and that humanity would be much better off if everyone realized that this life is the only one we have and to not hold out for some better life that there is no proof of.

I'm now completely confused to what your contention is.

God does not exist so people shouldn't waste their lives believing in him. That's quite the hot take.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by GGG

I'm now completely confused to what your contention is.

God does not exist so people shouldn't waste their lives believing in him. That's quite the hot take.

So why are you giving me all this grief and trying to make out that I'm some mean spirited azzhole? I was critical of the religion banner being flown in the article and you're portraying me as this insensitive, mean guy because I think that no idea is beyond reproach.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Reaper

So why are you giving me all this grief and trying to make out that I'm some mean spirited azzhole? I was critical of the religion banner being flown in the article and you're portraying me as this insensitive, mean guy because I think that no idea is beyond reproach.

I am giving you a hard time because you are criticizing the coping method these people use to get up in the morning and not dwell on the fact that they were partially responsible for killing their friends and dealing with the survivors guilt.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by GGG

I am giving you a hard time because you are criticizing the coping method these people use to get up in the morning and not dwell on the fact that they were partially responsible for killing their friends and dealing with the survivors guilt.

No idea is beyond criticism. Hang out your "stupid" flag and don't be surprised when somebody calls it as such. If logic is too rough for you then you might want to put your head in the sand.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Reaper

No idea is beyond criticism. Hang out your "stupid" flag and don't be surprised when somebody calls it as such. If logic is too rough for you then you might want to put your head in the sand.

You're one of those guys.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Reaper

No idea is beyond criticism. Hang out your "stupid" flag and don't be surprised when somebody calls it as such. If logic is too rough for you then you might want to put your head in the sand.

then your right back to picketing funerals.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

You're one of those guys.

Whatever. I said my piece, stated my disdain and whatnot. I'm not calling the parents of the dead kid to tell them they're stupid. I just think its bloody stupid to say "God saved muh boy" while the flip side of that coin is that he didn't save the two kids in front that died. Basically, keep that to yourself.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by GGG

Then you're right back to picketing funerals.

It is god's will.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Whatever. I said my piece, stated my disdain and whatnot. I'm not calling the parents of the dead kid to tell them they're stupid. I just think its bloody stupid to say "God saved muh boy" while the flip side of that coin is that he didn't save the two kids in front that died. Basically, keep that to yourself.

God is an absentee landlord.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dion

God is an absentee landlord.

Either way, in bird culture this is known as a dick move.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'm just impressed that they dressed up that racoon in human clothes and taught him how to speak.

It took quite a bit of time, thank you for noticing.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'm just impressed that they dressed up that racoon in human clothes and taught him how to speak.

So that wasn't Bobcat Goldthwait?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When you think about it, it is amazing how meaningless the words prayed are. For instance:

Now, I'm not religious but I was in Boy Scouts and know that it contains the words "and forgive us our trespasses," so AS he is trespassing, he has the wherewithal to ask the Lord to forgive him. Is it just automatic, and people don't think about what they are praying? What's the point? The argument tossed into the faces of us heathens(ahem, Peter) is that only through religion can you get the good morals that stops society from going to ####. Yet here is a perfect example of the hypocrisy of it all and they come out the other side more committed to it. None of it is logical, but I guess that is the point.

Or that praying before doing something suggests that you are doing something you probably shouldn't, unless maybe in a dire situation.

I still feel bad for these kids though. Teen boys make bad decisions regardless of religion.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Or that praying before doing something suggests that you are doing something you probably shouldn't, unless maybe in a dire situation.

I still feel bad for these kids though. Teen boys make bad decisions regardless of religion.

Religious people say the Lord's Prayer before attempting any challenging feat. They do it for luck, and strength.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Religious people say the Lord's Prayer before attempting any challenging feat. They do it for luck, and strength.

Worked out well

[Dion]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Religious people say the Lord's Prayer before attempting any challenging feat. They do it for luck, and strength.

It's funny how athletes give thanks to God only when they win. You never hear them thanking God for that embarrassing loss

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Either way, in bird culture this known as a dick move.

People of religious faith would have you believe there are miracles when in fact there isn't any. Everything we do in life is by the choices we make and if it's a bad one you pay the price like those young lads did. Free will has consequences.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

People of religious faith would have you believe there are miracles when in fact there isn't any. Everything we do in life is by the choices we make and if it's a bad one you pay the price like those young lads did. Free will has consequences.

That assumes you have free will and that you don't just make decisions based on your genetic make up and previous experiences.

Also luck plays a much larger factor in the outcome of life then you might want to believe. In this case these kids are dead because they flipped a coin and it came of heads.

For example the mere fact you are born in Canada is probably the most significant factor in the life you have. That is random chance.

At best you could argue that free will sets a range of probable outcomes that you can attempt to reach the best outcome.

[Snuffleupagus]

Do educated people still truly believe in God?

I just faked it for grandma.

[Northendzone]

Wow this discussion has changed direction