American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by photon

The violent left had 3 million protesters without a single arrest.. but that was over a week ago, things have changed I guess.

Some people will use any excuse to go out and start fires and turn over cars, be it a protest against a moron, their sports team winning/losing, or a group of countries get together for a meeting. Characterizing a whole group with the actions of a few is lazy and is just a way to rationalize feeling superior to others.

Rule number 1 for me, if you show up at a protest and see people wearing masks, wearing black and sporting some kind of red and black flag. This is not the protest your looking for, go home.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

How about jumping parties? I'm not aware of that happening in the US at all, know it happens here a few time.



http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/0...ublican-party/

You might know better then me but is there a mechanism to sit independently of any party?

[photon]

A small rolling back of Russian sanctions already?

The U.S. Treasury Department said it will allow companies to do some transactions with Russia's Security Service (FSB), despite cyber-sanctions put in place by former President Barack Obama.

U.S. intelligence agencies accused the FSB of involvement in hacking of Democratic organizations during the 2016 presidential election.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKBN15H244

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Rule number 1 for me, if you show up at a protest and see people wearing masks, wearing black and sporting some kind of red and black flag. This is not the protest your looking for, go home.

To some extent Cap. Protest will draw that component regardless of the intent of the protest. You can't let these clowns drag down the intent of the protest and become the focus. They are not involved in the goals of the protest, they are just there to use the protest as a cover to disrupt.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

All I have read about the man who shot the antifa protestor in self defence was a student and not a Milo supporter. He was a Wobbly, or member of the Industrial Workers of the World.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...ulos-unfolded/

Did you even read your link? The guy who was SHOT was this alleged "wobbly" and the shooter was a Trump/Milo/NRA supporter. It's literally in your link.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Rule number 1 for me, if you show up at a protest and see people wearing masks, wearing black and sporting some kind of red and black flag. This is not the protest your looking for, go home.

Violent protests needs more Obi Wan Kenobi.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by New Era

To some extent Cap. Protest will draw that component regardless of the intent of the protest. You can't let these clowns drag down the intent of the protest and become the focus. They are not involved in the goals of the protest, they are just there to use the protest as a cover to disrupt.

I remember being at that protest in Toronto a few years back, where all of those people were arrested. I didn't join the protest, but I wanted to see it because I was bored and had nothing better to do.

You could see the crazies and the anarchists and you could literally feel that something not good was going to happen. And sure enough, smashy smashy

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

There have been people sending letters and calling schools to explain why they shouldn't allow hate speech at their schools. There have been protests for quite some time against the garbage he spews out. Milo keeps poking the bear and taunting them knowing they can't do anything about it without being given all the labels being used for last night's violence. Are you really surprised it came to this considering he has no consequences to his hateful words, but starts freaking out only when his events are cancelled?

He tries to hide behind his self proclaimed identity as if that gives him the right to hate on other people. He's a despicable person who doesn't deserve the time of day, and hides behind things like free speech to hand out his brand of hate. So what should those who are opposed to this be doing in this perfect world of yours?

One of the things that always serves as a reminder and challenge for me in regards to freedom of speech and freedom to protest is the good ole Westboro Baptist Church. The things they spout off have always been crazy and offensive, but they continue to do it and continue to be protected to do it.

And while sometimes I think the world would be a better place if all those people were no longer on it, I have to remind myself that sometimes that dissent is important to have. To be the extreme case to remind people that all views should be allowed.

The reason I bring them up here, is that when thinking about Milo Y., and what should and could be done as a response, I think about how people deal with a similar troll group like WBC. Rarely do we see violence against them even when they do things like protest a soldiers funeral. They hit people at their most vulnerable but you don't hear about much violence anymore. People have responded by counter protesting and trying to just drown out their evil message.

So is that not what the goal should be here? Just continue to drown out the voices of those trolls? Its certainly easier to do against WBC who often can only send a handful of protesters compared to the throngs of support trolls like Milo attract. But to me the response still needs to be the same, just on a larger scale.

In the case of these Berkeley events, similar to many of the BLM protests, I genuinely believe that the protests were co-opted by people that had nothing to do with the protest itself. Certainly there were others doing less than desirable things, but it seems in this case there is much more video evidence that these anarchists were the ones causing most of the problems. So I don't want to imply that a vast majority of people were still just trying to protest as they should.

But the reason I typed out this long winded response is I felt like your post was advocating for peaceful protest but also accepting that if people like Milo poke the bear, its ok that they suffer the consequences. Personally, I think no matter what, we always have to take the higher ground.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by dobbles

Personally, I think no matter what, we always have to take the higher ground.

This is a good way to hand power to those who don't follow your rules and bank on you doing exactly this. I'm not advocating violence per se but this whole they go low we go high stuff gets you a president Trump, a tilted SC, removal of procedure from the House, and a destabilized nation.

[Street Pharmacist]

So they ease sanctions against a nation currently breaking a treaty (Russia) who are actively killing people in another sovereign nation, whilst proposing new sanctions against another country that is not breaking any agreements or treaties...

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

This is a good way to hand power to those who don't follow your rules and bank on you doing exactly this. I'm not advocating violence per se but this whole they go low we go high stuff gets you a president Trump, a tilted SC, removal of procedure from the House, and a destabilized nation.

What got us a president Trump and all this associated garbage was a weak democratic candidate who ran no sort of effective campaign.

The only way this gets solved is the democrats regroup and have a banner year in 2018. While things like protests and news coverage serve the purpose of putting the spotlight on the issues and holding people accountable, I really think any sort of impeachment or Trump seeing the error of his ways is a pipe dream.

It gets back to the phrase Obama used a few times before the election, "don't boo; vote". If people can't turn all of this effort into a meaningful political movement, then its a giant waste of time.

Take for example the tea party. They started off as a bunch of pissed off people holding rallies. But they then took the next step and organized and ran candidates. They continue to be important players in the national scene despite being a relatively small portion of the electorate.

[northcrunk]

From the Reddit thread:

https://twitter.com/almostjingo/stat...09436749164544
- young woman smashed with pole
https://twitter.com/MisterMetokur/st...91184635654145
- surrounding and beating with poles
https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/826998516144697344
https://twitter.com/kiarafrobles/sta...07290272149505
- 2 woman peppersprayed
https://twitter.com/dancalbear/statu...12870785282048
- man beat with bikelock for wearing a football jersey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZvhYkB4xo
https://sendvid.com/xm1k6s4a
- mob chasing and possibly hospitalizing individuals hitting them on the ground unconscious.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...12237751644161
- Driver mobbed and attacked, drives away in fear with guy ontop, gets baseball bat hit window smashed.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...15846786715651

[ResAlien]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...gee-ban-234546

Good example of following rules. The Republican party has by all indications decided it is allowable for members to work in secret with the administration. Definitely not a precedent that would lead to any sort of problems down the line right? But let's talk more about the prayer breakfast or how awful college campus protesters are. Those kids need to be the example setters for everyone.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by photon

The violent left had 3 million protesters without a single arrest.. but that was over a week ago, things have changed I guess.

Some people will use any excuse to go out and start fires and turn over cars, be it a protest against a moron, their sports team winning/losing, or a group of countries get together for a meeting. Characterizing a whole group with the actions of a few is lazy and is just a way to rationalize feeling superior to others.

Which protest are we talking about?

Six police officers were injured and 217 protesters arrested Friday after a morning of peaceful protests and coordinated disruptions of Donald Trump's inauguration ceremony gave way to ugly street clashes in downtown Washington.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politi...-womens-march/

[photon]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

So they ease sanctions against a nation currently breaking a treaty (Russia) who are actively killing people in another sovereign nation, whilst proposing new sanctions against another country that is not breaking any agreements or treaties...

Someone on reddit was saying it has to do with computer software licensing or something; the intent wasn't to make it so US companies couldn't sell computers to Russia so it's a specific change regarding that to allow software licenses to not count as payments under the sanctions.

[photon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Which protest are we talking about?

I was talking about the women's march on Saturday.

[ResAlien]

Good on Pelosi for calling out Bannon as a white supremacist.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/31...curity-council

Keep shining a light on these cockroaches, for now that's the least that can be done.

[Azure]

Pelosi is a big reason the Democrats are where they are. Maybe she should resign and let someone younger with more brains take her spot.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Azure

Pelosi is a big reason the Democrats are where they are. Maybe she should resign and let someone younger with more brains take her spot.

Do tell, I'm legitimately curious from a conservative viewpoint why exactly is Pelosi to blame?

The problem is liberal echo chamber right? So from your view how did Pelosi get Democrats "where they are"?

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

This is a good way to hand power to those who don't follow your rules and bank on you doing exactly this. I'm not advocating violence per se but this whole they go low we go high stuff gets you a president Trump, a tilted SC, removal of procedure from the House, and a destabilized nation.

I think you have to take the high ground about what you are willing to battle for...and when something fundamental to a liberal democracy is under threat figure out an effective strategy and then do anything to realize it.

Taking the higher ground can't lead to ineffective resistance.