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Old 02-01-2017, 12:05 PM   #2221
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I thought this would be a good place to put this video. I really like listening to Dave Rubin, as he seems to take the emotion and rhetoric out of hugely polarizing issues when he discusses them. This one is on the 'Muslim Ban':

Dave Rubin is fantastic, he definitely takes the hysteria out of everything and puts things in a rational context. He does get criticized a fair bit for not pressing people hard in his interviews but i think he is more trying to allow people to explain their view without shouting over them which alot of people have grown accustom to.
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Which, I'd guess, is exactly what they're counting on.
Uhm, yes and no.

The lie doesn't work if everyone ignores it. I'm not suggesting people ignore trump or his administration, just that they should ignore their statements in the same way you'd ignore Pravda.

The content of the message is meaningless when it has little to do with factual events.

The point isn't to ignore Trump, it's to mercilessly report on the facts of his administration and only use his comments to illustrate the depths his administration will go to deceive the public.

"Spicer says only 109 people impacted by travel ban but reports estimate tens of thousands" isn't news. Including Spicer's comments in the article IS the intent. Every time the administration presents facts, the goal is to have them included as part of the coverage to obfuscate and otherwise delegitimize the journalistic coverage. That's why the lies are so staggeringly inaccurate. "The bigger the lie the more they believe." This is the straight up Nazi Fascism part. It is, literally, right out of Mein Kampf. "The Big Lie".
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Man calling someone a "Nazi" or "Hitler" mean nothing now. Way to minimalize the atrocities committed by Hitler because you want to name call an opponent. If Trump disbands congress and siezes control then you can make the comparison. Hell Duterte in the PH is killing thousands of citizens and you don't hear the media calling him Hitler.
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I posted this article before but I'm not sure anyone actually noticed, and they should because it's one of the best things I've read since Trump was sworn in.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ocracy/513872/
Definitely worth looking at IMO.

On the whole listening to Trump and his rabble rousers, AP had a brief guide on how they should be covering Trump which I thought was interesting.

http://www.reuters.com/article/rpb-a...-idUSKBN15F276

Also read that the WH isn't going to be sending Conway or any other people to CNN anymore, calling them fake news. That could be a great thing for CNN actually, force them to do their own leg work, but with having surrogates on staff anyway it probably won't improve CNN at all.

Like's been said the past while; "Send the Interns". Send the junior reporters to cover the dribs and drabs from the White House and get the experienced guys doing their own digging.
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CNN will probably spend all their time winging about it instead of working towards becoming a more credible news outlet instead of the partisan channel they have become. They/ABC have become what Fox news used to be in 2001.
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Dave Rubin is fantastic, he definitely takes the hysteria out of everything and puts things in a rational context. He does get criticized a fair bit for not pressing people hard in his interviews but i think he is more trying to allow people to explain their view without shouting over them which alot of people have grown accustom to.
Basically Rubin is super frustrating until you recognize that his entire purpose isn't to challenge or press the people he's interviewing on literally anything. He's essentially a sounding board for them to get out as much of what they believe, in their own words, as possible within a ~1 hour period and let his audience decide if they're full of crap or not. The prologue comments like the one you quoted are the only instances for him to really address his own positions. I don't think he adequately appreciated the underlying motive for the EO he was talking about there, though, which was that it doesn't matter if it was effective in actually banning muslims or terrorists, all Trump was doing was sending a signal to the people who voted for him and aren't particularly nuanced that he was doing what he said he'd do during the campaign.

The interview that followed (which starts at about 4:00 here) is much more valuable, because Faisal Saeed Al Mutar is awesome, incredibly astute and well-focused guy who's also good at expressing clear, succinct moral clarity considering his age and the fact that English isn't his first language.

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If Trump does go full autocrat/dictator this is why the right to bear arms is in the US constitution. There would be another civil war.
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CNN will probably spend all their time winging about it instead of working towards becoming a more credible news outlet instead of the partisan channel they have become. They/ABC have become what Fox news used to be in 2001.
No, not even close. They report news. Like real news. The don't spend their time editorializing
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No, not even close. They report news. Like real news. The don't spend their time editorializing
Most of their programming is talking heads talking over each other. It's difficult to watch if your just looking for news. They used to have a lot more actual news than they do now.
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Yep, here's crooked unfair CNN lying through their teeth

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If Trump does go full autocrat/dictator this is why the right to bear arms is in the US constitution. There would be another civil war.
Yeah that just ends with a purge of left-wing thinkers, radicals, and minorities, kind of like what happens every time a fascist takes over a country.
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No he doesn't. He's saying the past work was amazing (great word) and that he's noticed it's being recognized more and more in the present.

The unbolded I can agree with. But if you've been saying this for the last year then how is any of this stuff still surprising you to the level that it appears it does.

Are you a goldfish?
Yeah I am. I enjoy my inability to remember his insanity, only for it to creep up on me and hit me in the face. But seriously, dementia has stages, he isn't the same as a year ago, he's had a year of intense stress on his brain too. That he was crazy a year ago isn't in doubt, but he's more unhinged now than a year ago.

To the unbolded, I'm not even close to the only one who thinks so. Seems to be the overall consensus he thinks Douglass is still alive. My broader point was he has no idea who Douglass even is. Ideally at his next presser someone asks him his favorite Douglass accomplishment. Not even Sean Spicer knows what he was doing (and he possibly has no clue who Douglass is too).

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Yeah that just ends with a purge of left-wing thinkers, radicals, and minorities, kind of like what happens every time a fascist takes over a country.
Or the opposite, assuming the left actually wins... can't wait to see who emerges as our very own Robespierre.
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If Trump does go full autocrat/dictator this is why the right to bear arms is in the US constitution. There would be another civil war.
I don't think you'll see any warfare on American streets anytime soon.

But I do think there is the possibility of increased terror, hostage, police attack situations. Increased state of fear type of stuff, which is a different kind of warfare that will happen if all this keeps up. Maybe an assassination attempt or two on some of the senior officials.

The trouble is that it's a 2 sided "war" between very small numbers who split into extreme right and left sides. But how do you identify them? Are you going to start wearing red or blue arm bands around? What about those who don't wear armbands, would we be safe? Also, if you can't identify your enemy, who is your target? Basically, anyone who "looks different" if you're on the hard right, and the "corrupted government" for the hard left.

So I don't see a civil ware starting, but I do see a LOT of unrest popping up, with a few sprinkles of hate crime and terrorism thrown in.
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Basically Rubin is super frustrating until you recognize that his entire purpose isn't to challenge or press the people he's interviewing on literally anything. He's essentially a sounding board for them to get out as much of what they believe, in their own words, as possible within a ~1 hour period and let his audience decide if they're full of crap or not. The prologue comments like the one you quoted are the only instances for him to really address his own positions. I don't think he adequately appreciated the underlying motive for the EO he was talking about there, though, which was that it doesn't matter if it was effective in actually banning muslims or terrorists, all Trump was doing was sending a signal to the people who voted for him and aren't particularly nuanced that he was doing what he said he'd do during the campaign.

The interview that followed (which starts at about 4:00 here) is much more valuable, because Faisal Saeed Al Mutar is awesome, incredibly astute and well-focused guy who's also good at expressing clear, succinct moral clarity considering his age and the fact that English isn't his first language.
Thats why I mentioned that people have grown accustom to the people yelling over each other.

The world needs more of this. Let the ideas themselves fight the battle of deciding what is good or bad or in between, not the people spreading the ideas.
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If Trump does go full autocrat/dictator this is why the right to bear arms is in the US constitution. There would be another civil war.
Highly unlikely to almost impossible. Where would the battle lines be drawn? You have people holding different ideological perspectives living in the same neighborhood, right next to each other. A war is not a real possibility. The ones who would start the shooting are already behind Trump. It is more likely that one group will be disenfranchised and restricted in society than a war break out.
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Don't know if anyone else felt like there was a dodged bullet when Jerry Falwell Jr. said he'd turned down a cabinet position... well I guess it wasn't so much a bullet as a boomerang.

Evangelical Christian leader Jerry Falwell Jr. will head an education reform task force under U.S. President Donald Trump and is keen to cut university regulations, including rules on dealing with campus sexual assault, the school he heads said.

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If by "cutting campus regulations on sexual assault" they mean revoking the Dear Colleague letter, then, well, good.
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Haha, Iran is officially "on notice".

"As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice," Flynn told a White House briefing, without explaining exactly what that meant.

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If by "cutting campus regulations on sexual assault" they mean revoking the Dear Colleague letter, then, well, good.
Is that what you think Liberty University is talking about?

Or could it maybe, oh I don't know, have something to do with this?

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Liberty and its president, Jerry Falwell Jr., hired a man in the midst of ongoing litigation relating to the high-profile disgrace that forced him from his old job. McCaw ran the athletic program in which law firm Pepper Hamilton, tabbed by the school to perform an independent investigation, found “a failure to identify and respond to a pattern of sexual violence by a football player, to take action in response to reports of a sexual assault by multiple football players, and to take action in response to a report of dating violence.”

Evidently, that did not disqualify McCaw from landing the same position at Liberty.

Fifty-three percent of the roughly 15,000 students who attend Liberty University are women. How were they supposed to feel when they woke up Tuesday morning? How should their parents feel?

Liberty’s news release announcing McCaw’s hire touted Baylor’s five national titles, 58 Big 12 championships and six consecutive bowl games for the football team under his watch. For the women on Liberty’s campus — or for the parents whose daughters are there — is that competitive history supposed to matter more than the reason McCaw had to leave Baylor?

“If I had a daughter at Liberty University, I would certainly be concerned,” said Alexander Zalkin, Hernandez’s lawyer. “It almost speaks to this general culture of apathy at universities to this issue. The reason we’re in this mess to begin with is, universities did not take this issue of sexual assault seriously. You have this athletic director who is either incompetent to the way he supervised his program, or worse, I would argue, turned a blind eye. It baffles me that another university would trust him to run their athletic department at this point.”
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Baylor’s interim president, David E. Garland, told a very different story to USA Today last month. “When you remove the president, the athletic director, and a successful and beloved football coach,” he said, “I think there’s incredible accountability.”

What we have here is a contradiction. I called Baylor University’s assistant vice president for communications, Lori W. Fogleman, and told her that Falwell had claimed to have conducted an investigation of the Baylor scandal.

Did Falwell’s people reach out to your people?

“I don’t know,” she replied. I suggested that perhaps her university might wish to be more forthcoming.

An hour or so later, she emailed me: “The university prefers not to comment.”

I was getting confused. So I called Len Stevens, a spokesman for Liberty University. He was a friendly fellow and quickly agreed that what we had here were conflicting accounts. Whom did your people talk to at Baylor, I asked. “We checked with Coach Grant Teaff, who knows lots of people there.”

Teaff, 83, is a football legend at Baylor. He last coached there in 1992 — 11 years before McCaw’s arrival.

Liberty University officials did not ask to speak with Pepper Hamilton, the law firm that conducted the investigation, Stevens said. But they did chat with a couple of members of the Baylor Board of Regents, several of whom are not at all pleased that nettlesome accusations of gang rapes and assaults had pushed out a beloved coach and athletic director.

I got off the telephone and reread Falwell’s statement, which nearly swelled with charity for McCaw. “He is a good man who found himself in a place where bad things were happening and decided to leave,” Falwell said, “and now Liberty is the beneficiary.”

God, or more to the point those people who desire a top football program and claim to hear his word, delivers.
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Baylor, which hired a law firm to conduct an investigation, said McCaw and Briles, among others, failed to report an alleged gang-rape in 2012 by five members of the football team against a female student-athlete to the university’s judicial affairs office.

Last week, two other women who reported being gang-raped by football players in 2012 reached settlements with the school, and Baylor’s regents said 17 women have reported domestic violence or sexual assault involving 19 football players since 2011. The school also is facing several federal lawsuits by women who say the university ignored or tried to suppress their allegations of sexual and physical assault.

“Obviously the recent months have been difficult and we’ve had some mistakes along the way as a university,” said Patulski, the Baylor assistant athletics director. “What I admire about Ian is he’s handled it with class, selflessly. You really haven’t heard anything from him and the truth of the matter is, he resigned because he wanted healing to happen at Baylor University.”
Liberty has had to handle its own run-ins with sexual assault allegations recently.

Two Flames football players were dismissed from the program and university this season after they were accused of sexual assault. The Lynchburg Police Department chose not to seek criminal charges against the two student-athletes.

Prior to the police department’s findings, the university released a statement naming the football players, including another who had transferred to the University of South Carolina, who were accused of sexual assault.

“There’s a big stack of regulations that the Department of Education created … and in the last several years, we’ve gone to great pains to make sure we’ve complied to the letter of those recommendations,” Falwell said.

McCaw said he aims to maintain that level of transparency at Liberty with the help of the compliance office.

“We’re certainly going to be very committed from a Title IX standpoint,” McCaw said. “I’m anxious to meet with the Title IX coordinator and make sure that we have everything in place to first and foremost prevent any incidents of interpersonal violence.
http://www.richmond.com/sports/colle...776bc267b.html

A big Stack of Regulations you say. Against sexual assault you say. That forced the current Liberty University athletic director to resign you say. That forced the new Athletic Director to resign from his old job you say.

I bet it's about the Dear Colleague letters.
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