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Puddy27 · 01-31-2017, 07:14 PM

For some of you in here stating that things will be fine if he just takes his medications....well, it's not that simple. I administer these medications daily to people with schizophrenia/bipolar/schizo-affective disorder and sorry to burst the bubble but most of those medications are a joke. They will turn a lot of people into zombies so they lack motivation to even take care of their own hygiene and they'll give you so may side affects that people would be too sedated to care about much of anything.

People don't realize those medications basically just mask the real problems which is usually trauma of some sort and most of it came when people were children. People hear schizophrenia these days and think of some psychotic monster but all schizophrenia really means broken down in basic terms is "a part of your brain isn't functioning like it should be". There are negative symptoms, positive symptoms and many factors determine people's recovery such as family support, diet, exercise, finances spirituality etc.

So I didn't add much to the actual topic of the thread but I am one of the people who are everywhere in your community helping the sickest of the sick and I just had to clarify that it takes a lot more support than Big Pharma's huge cash cow of sedating cocktails.

Good luck to all of the people involved in this unfortunate incident. Hopefully they are finding more peace with each passing day.

rubecube · 01-31-2017, 07:25 PM

^^Sources please. From what I understand, schizophrenia is largely genetic.

Oling_Roachinen · 01-31-2017, 07:30 PM

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Well I suppose that hinges on if my Schizophrenia was making me violent or dangerous. We all know what this gentleman is capable of when he's not on medication.

Yes, but he's on medication and been assessed by professionals, over the course of nine years, who have assessed him as a non-threat. You on the other hand are a completely unknown loose cannon, to protect society I think it's best to keep you locked away.

OMG!WTF! · 01-31-2017, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Puddy27

People don't realize those medications basically just mask the real problems which is usually trauma of some sort and most of it came when people were children. People hear schizophrenia these days and think of some psychotic monster but all schizophrenia really means broken down in basic terms is "a part of your brain isn't functioning like it should be". There are negative symptoms, positive symptoms and many factors determine people's recovery such as family support, diet, exercise, finances spirituality

That ain't even half right dawg. Childhood trauma = schizophrenia? For real?

rubecube · 01-31-2017, 08:22 PM

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That ain't even half right dawg. Childhood trauma = schizophrenia? For real?

Yeah, I didn't want to straight up call that post garbage but there's a boatload of misinformation in there.

Azure · 01-31-2017, 09:03 PM

Not much to say other than I think that the fact that he is even at this point attests to the amazing job the people who worked with him the last few years have done. All too often in the world today we don't want to EVER give people a second chance, and the people involved in his rehab went way beyond that. Hell of a job and hopefully we can take a lot of what I'm sure they learned the past few years and apply it towards keeping situations like this from ever happening again.

Violator · 01-31-2017, 09:10 PM

I guess the parole board thought he was heading in the right direction when it came to his rehabilitation. as long as he takes his medication and doesn't cut off his rehab he should be fine.

Corral · 01-31-2017, 09:43 PM

If his victim on the bus was someone I loved ... i'd see to it that justice is delivered.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 01-31-2017, 09:55 PM

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If his victim on the bus was someone I loved ... i'd see to it that justice is delivered.

...Justice? Ah, I see the problem - that's murder, you're thinking of murder there.

Corral · 01-31-2017, 09:56 PM

justice comes in many forms.

DJones · 01-31-2017, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Corral

justice comes in many forms.

You'd throw away your life to kill a guy having a mental breakdown?

Seems stupid.

Unconditional release is a bit much but if hes cleared by doctors I don't have a problem with it. Guys in these situations have a near zero failure rate for doing anything criminal again.

OMG!WTF! · 01-31-2017, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJones

Unconditional release is a bit much but if hes cleared by doctors I don't have a problem with it. Guys in these situations have a near zero failure rate for doing anything criminal again.

I've never been able to find a source about that. I'd be really curious to see something if you have it handy. Not trying to be annoying so don't worry about it unless you literally know it off hand.

Corral · 01-31-2017, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJones

but if hes cleared by doctors I don't have a problem with it.

i'm not so sure you'd feel the same way if his 'random' victim was someone close to you like a parent, child or spouse who had the misfortune of sitting beside this guy. I think you'd have a problem with it.

rubecube · 01-31-2017, 10:44 PM

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i'm not so sure you'd feel the same way if his 'random' victim was someone close to you like a parent, child or spouse who had the misfortune of sitting beside this guy. I think you'd have a problem with it.

Well duh, but how does a justice system founded on vengeance benefit society as a whole?

Corral · 01-31-2017, 10:49 PM

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Well duh, but how does a justice system founded on vengeance benefit society as a whole?

I guess my point is essentially that 'benefits to society' doesn't mean a hill of beans when the harm is personal and justice is not seen to be done.

rubecube · 01-31-2017, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Corral

I guess my point is essentially that 'benefits to society' doesn't mean a hill of beans when the harm is personal and justice is not seen to be done.

Okay, and the pound of flesh approach serves what purpose exactly?

Oling_Roachinen · 01-31-2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Corral

i'm not so sure you'd feel the same way if his 'random' victim was someone close to you like a parent, child or spouse who had the misfortune of sitting beside this guy. I think you'd have a problem with it.

Oh for sure. And Tim McLean's mother has been a huge proponent against Vincent Li's releases over the years. I've never once blamed her for that, I don't think anyone could.

But, I'm sure if you suffered from a mental illness that you had no control over that made you do something that you have complete remorse for, and have now been cleared by medical professionals as a low-threat level, you would want people to treat you fairly.

The great thing about Canada's Justice System is that we don't serve out revenge. It's not the wronged that get to decide the punishment or guilt of someone, thank God.

Nage Waza · 01-31-2017, 11:17 PM

I know I have said it earlier in this thread, but don't most, or a significant portion of people in jail have mental health issues? Substance abuse would probably describe the other large portion of inmates.

It certainly seems odd to me that if this guy is allowed out of jail as long as he is on his meds, then shouldn't the rest of the people in jail have something similar offered? Why have we gone so far in this case?

You shoplift? Well here is some money. You assaulted someone? Here is some medication. You were on drugs? Well how about rehab or more drugs. Drunk driving but you are an alcoholic? There are absolutely mitigating circumstances with all of the situations.

I still don't see how we made the leap to what is happening with this case.

PepsiFree · 01-31-2017, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Corral

I guess my point is essentially that 'benefits to society' doesn't mean a hill of beans when the harm is personal and justice is not seen to be done.

Then congrats, you won!

He killed your loved one, you killed him, you get sent to jail for planning and committing a murder, further ruining your own life.

You sure showed him.

OMG!WTF! · 01-31-2017, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I know I have said it earlier in this thread, but don't most, or a significant portion of people in jail have mental health issues? Substance abuse would probably describe the other large portion of inmates.

It certainly seems odd to me that if this guy is allowed out of jail as long as he is on his meds, then shouldn't the rest of the people in jail have something similar offered? Why have we gone so far in this case?

You shoplift? Well here is some money. You assaulted someone? Here is some medication. You were on drugs? Well how about rehab or more drugs. Drunk driving but you are an alcoholic? There are absolutely mitigating circumstances with all of the situations.

I still don't see how we made the leap to what is happening with this case.

Mental illnesses aren't all the same. Sooooo....there ya go.