American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[metallicat]

Trump is like our Don Cherry, with his nonsensical rantings.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by troutman

Gorsuch is the appointee for the Supreme Court. Incredible resume.

Trump not wearing a wedding ring - is that usual?

Yeah, pretty usual for him not to wear the ring, at least in the case of this not being the first time.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Izzle

That pivot from "Don't call me Racist" to....

NSFW!

Actually this comic has some truth but not for the reasons you think, it dumbs the argument down to the lowest common denominator. What a gross misrepresentation of the majority position.

You can have issues with illegal immigration without being a racist.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I am just saying everyone does it - there is no perfect candidate - people vote for a variety of reasons even if they don't agree with everything - and usually excuse those things

Also my impression was a Trump vote to a lot of people was a vote against the so called "establishment" ...

Of course there is no perfect candidate, I get that. And I can understand voting against "the establishment" as well, but he's a billionaire who went to an Ivy League school and openly bragged about being part of the establishment by literally paying off politicians and gaming the system. How is that not "the establishment"?

Gah. I've bitched about this exact thing numerous times. No point in going over it again. He won.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by troutman

Gorsuch is the appointee for the Supreme Court. Incredible resume.

Trump not wearing a wedding ring - is that usual?

I can't speak to the rest of his body of work, but Teen Vogue had an article about each potential nominee's history with reproductive rights for women.

Gorsuch wrote in his opinion on the case when it appeared before the 10th Circuit that the ACA’s contraception-coverage policy forced Hobby Lobby “to violate their religious faith by lending an impermissible degree of assistance to conduct their religion teaches to be gravely wrong.” Hobby Lobby was specifically opposed to emergency contraception and two types of intrauterine devices (IUDs). Neither emergency contraception nor IUDs cause abortion, as Hobby Lobby attested.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/trump...rights-records
Always great when someone's religious belief overtakes the rights of others, especially when it is in no way based on reality or science.

[GGG]

Dont IUDs and emergency contraception prevent the implantation of the embryo post fertilization on the uteran wall and therefore for someone who considers life to begin at conception no different from abortion.?

Edit: http://www.popcouncil.org/uploads/pdfs/Sivin.pdf

Apparently IUDs don't stop implantation at a rate any greater than a control group. Though this shouldn't be pinned on the judges as it appears from some of the linked areticles that the science of IUDs was never challenged

[Drak]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/whit...-trump-agenda/

White House spokes people and surrogates are no longer allowed to go on CNN.

[GGG]

Likely great news. No more need for fair and balanced. No more clown show. CNN has the opportunity to do real news now. What value is the propaganda machine coming on your show when they just lie with impunity.

When I first read the headline I thought it was CNN refusing to have them on because it amounts to endorsement of their lies.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by GGG

Likely great news. No more need for fair and balanced. No more clown show. CNN has the opportunity to do real news now. What value is the propaganda machine coming on your show when they just lie with impunity.

When I first read the headline I thought it was CNN refusing to have them on because it amounts to endorsement of their lies.

Agreed. I feel like I can put CNN back on now and then.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Gorusch has a history of being anti-euthanasia. Some may view that as small potatoes but I think it is an important issues down the road with a graying population.

[calumniate]

Loving Andy borowitz from the new York post:

Donald J. Trump's Supreme Court nominee Gorsuch, an opponent of abortion and supporter of guns, manages the neat trick of being both pro-life and pro-death.

He's the down goes brown of politics. Never misses!

Another one:

Man Who Grabs Pussies Nominates Man Who Regulates Uterus

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Of course there is no perfect candidate, I get that. And I can understand voting against "the establishment" as well, but he's a billionaire who went to an Ivy League school and openly bragged about being part of the establishment by literally paying off politicians and gaming the system. How is that not "the establishment"?

Gah. I've bitched about this exact thing numerous times. No point in going over it again. He won.

touche !

[FiftyBelow]

As someone who agrees with textualism and originalism, I'm very pleased with the nomination of Neil Gorsuch.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

As someone who agrees with textualism and originalism, I'm very pleased with the nomination of Neil Gorsuch.

Because what could possibly go wrong with interpreting material that is 200+ years old and whose authors are long dead, and then applying said material to world that has very little resemblance to the world in which those authors lived?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Because what could possibly go wrong with interpreting material that is 200+ years old and whose authors are long dead, and then applying said material to world that has very little resemblance to the world in which those authors lived?

But... this is literally their job? Regardless of what their politics or stance on how it should be interpreted, they have to interpret it and apply it to the world today. What else should they do?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

But... this is literally their job? Regardless of what their politics or stance on how it should be interpreted, they have to interpret it and apply it to the world today. What else should they do?

Then what does the prolife religious crowd have to be happy about?
Interpretation or personal agenda?

[FiftyBelow]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Because what could possibly go wrong with interpreting material that is 200+ years old and whose authors are long dead, and then applying said material to world that has very little resemblance to the world in which those authors lived?

It is not the job of judges to ensure the compatibility of laws with contemporary values and beliefs, that is the job of politicians. As Scalia often said, garbage in, garbage out. A bad law results in bad outcomes. If people don't like bad laws, they should lobby their politicians to change it. It's a democracy after all.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

It is not the job of judges to ensure the compatibility of laws with contemporary values and beliefs, that is the job of politicians. As Scalia often said, garbage in, garbage out. A bad law results in bad outcomes. If people don't like bad laws, they should lobby their politicians to change it. It's a democracy after all.

Provide they aren't originalists out of convenience. Gorsuch ruling that corps are people under the RFRA really stretches any textualist interpretation by willfully ignoring the definition of person that was used at the time the legislation was passed in favour of a much broader interpretation which allowed him to rule as he wanted to.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

It is not the job of judges to ensure the compatibility of laws with contemporary values and beliefs, that is the job of politicians. As Scalia often said, garbage in, garbage out. A bad law results in bad outcomes. If people don't like bad laws, they should lobby their politicians to change it. It's a democracy after all.

So, in order to be given legal effect, every significant societal change requires a constitutional amendment? An annual Meech Lake ballet? Just from a practical perspective: no thank you.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

It's a democracy after all.

For now