Shooting at mosque in Quebec City; several dead

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Where does one walk out and acquire an AK-47 in Canada?

(if it was that gun as reported)

They would have to have connections to organized crime.

I'm guessing it is probably a CZ 858, which looks like an AK-47. However, it is only semi-automatic and has a 5 round standard mag capacity (unless they modified the clip).

If it was a real, fully automatic AK, I'd imagine the death toll to be significantly higher.

[2Stonedbirds]

You don't. AKs are prohibited, the only functioning ones that exist are ones that are grandfathered to prohibited licence holders before C68 came into effect, years before these two would have been old enough to legally own a AK.

Who's confirmed its a AK? All I heard was "ak style" which doesn't mean anything. Maybe a CZ?

[2Stonedbirds]

The only functioning variants from the AK family that are legal to own in Canada are the valmet family of AKs.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

They would have to have connections to organized crime.

I'm guessing it is probably a CZ 858, which looks like an AK-47. However, it is only semi-automatic and has a 5 round standard mag capacity (unless they modified the clip).

If it was a real, fully automatic AK, I'd imagine the death toll to be significantly higher.

You don't even see fully auto weapons used in US mass shootings. Those are indeed very rare and hard to come by, even in the USA.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

You don't. AKs are prohibited, the only functioning ones that exist are ones that are grandfathered to prohibited licence holders before C68 came into effect, years before these two would have been old enough to legally own a AK.

Who's confirmed its a AK? All I heard was "ak style" which doesn't mean anything. Maybe a CZ?

I'm thinking it's an SVT

[2Stonedbirds]

My bad I misread.

Perhaps it was a svt but if it was a case of mistaken identity my bet is its a CZ.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

My bad I misread.

Perhaps it was a svt but if it was a case of mistaken identity my bet is its a CZ.

Are they? i've seen them for sale in several shops and online.

[Fuzz]

There are only 2 gun types, according to the media:

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You don't even see fully auto weapons used in US mass shootings. Those are indeed very rare and hard to come by, even in the USA.

Depends on the state.

For example, in Arizona just about anyone with $500 can get one. I was visiting there and stopped in at a couple of guns stores, just for #@$ and giggles. They all had some very intense weapons on display for purchase. You do have to register automatic weapons under the NFA though, which means getting clearance.

[oldschoolcalgary]

incredibly sad news and I am pretty devastated as a Canadian...

while my perspective is undoubtedly naive and pollyanna-ish, I had thought that our civil society was above this kind of violence.

In retrospect, its pretty obvious that rhetoric made to inflame passions, will inflame passions and that the divisive provincial politics in Quebec certainly did not help...

For the first time in a long time, I feel like I have to go to this memorial tonight because this is not Canada, and this is not what Canadians stand for... this kind of extremism, on both sides, cannot be allowed to take root...

[peter12]

National Review's Kevin Williamson wrote a great piece on the media's poor understanding of fire-arms, and their subsequent lack of care in reporting accurately. Sensation, not accuracy matters.

Newspaper accounts of firearms are almost always illiterate and inaccurate. If you see something described as an AK-47 being used in a crime in the United States, you can be almost certain that it is not an actual AK-47. (This is not helped by the fact that many different kinds of firearms are marketed under the name AK-47.) An AK-47 is a select-fire rifle, i.e., a rifle that can be fired in fully automatic or semiautomatic mode, chambered for the 7.62×39mm round. These are pretty rare beasts in the United States; what’s normally meant by “AK-47″ is a semiautomatic rifle styled like an AK-47 and/or operating with a similar mechanism, and this elides the fact that one of these things is a full-auto machine gun and one isn’t. Given the rather energetic efforts of the anti-gun lobby and the press to conflate automatic and semiautomatic weapons, one cannot help but think this is at least partly intentional. In any case, it is misleading and confusing, and therefore bad journalism.

Read the whole thing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Sarah Haider sums this whole thing up for me...

Spoiler!

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by peter12

National Review's Kevin Williamson wrote a great piece on the media's poor understanding of fire-arms, and their subsequent lack of care in reporting accurately. Sensation, not accuracy matters.



Read the whole thing.

Oh FFS...who really gives a crap if the nuances of heavy weaponry are described accurately when innocent people have been slaughtered.

Give your head a shake

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Oh FFS...who really gives a crap if the nuances of heavy weaponry are described accurately when innocent people have been slaughtered.

Give your head a shake

Sorry, but this is sentimental claptrap. When innocents are viciously slaughtered, a nuanced response matters more than anything else.

[CaptainCrunch]

Personally, I think the type of weapon at this point is irrelevant, as much as the hows of the weapon, was it a legal fire arm purchased legally, or was it something else, and if it was something else, where did it come from.

At the end of the day, all guys do the same thing, they fire bullets at super high speed.

We need to understand the motivations of the killer that used this tool, and where he got the tool from.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by peter12

Sorry, but this is sentimental claptrap. When innocents are viciously slaughtered, a nuanced response matters more than anything else.

Nuanced response on what Peter12?...the topic matters

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Nuanced response on what Peter12?...the topic matters

I can care about accuracy in reporting, and also about the 6 people that were murdered.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Originally Posted by peter12

I can care about accuracy in reporting, and also about the 6 people that were murdered.

It seems like people are quite concerned that the type of firearm is reported accurately...which pisses me off. It's irrelevant...the guy had a firearm with enough killing power to lead to a slaughter. Why you start blathering about model numbers and features is beyond me.

(And I hold the same feelings for the media who take accurate/inaccurate information to make a point that model X is a problem as well)

If someone is worried that a certain gun is going to get a bad reputation they have their priorities messed up.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

It seems like people are quite concerned that the type of firearm is reported accurately...which pisses me off. It's irrelevant...the guy had a firearm with enough killing power to lead to a slaughter. Why you start blathering about model numbers and features is beyond me.

(And I hold the same feelings for the media who take accurate/inaccurate information to make a point that model X is a problem as well)

If someone is worried that a certain gun is going to get a bad reputation they have their priorities messed up.

That's too bad. What would you like me to feel and say?

[oldschoolcalgary]

AR-15s are the weapon of choice in a lot of the US mass shootings of late... so basically a "civilian version" of the M-16...

Not sure how that changes the optics of the story from one erroneously saying "AK-47" or using a more generic term like 'semi-automatic assault rifle"...

at the end of the day all are still prohibited weapons in Canada.