Does Iggy make the Top 100 Greatest NHL Players list?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Who cares about Corey Millen? I just listed every centre who Iginla primarily played with.

(How did I get Millen? I checked my copy of NHL 97)

Well maybe you shouldn't have brought him up? Good lord.

Anyway, you can make that point about horrible linemates with anyone. Hey, Mats Sundin played with Jonas Hoglund and Todd Warriner and Kyle Wellwood and Alex Suglobov! He's just like Iginla!

Yeah, the way to figure it out is to look from the top down, not the down up.

[GioforPM]

Iggy playing with a couple good players at a time does not a stacked team make.

Compare to say, the Blackhawks that had, at material times, two or three elite forwards, another two or three very good ones, an elite defenceman, plus a very strong supporting cast, and a good goalie. Or the 70s Habs that had HOFers throughout. Or the late 80s Oilers (or Flames). Those teams were stacked.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You could put all those guys into a blender and not come up with a great centre.

But you may come up with a half-decent horror movie.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

No offence but you were probably 8 years old when he played here. He wasn't awesome at all. He wasn't bad either but not someone you'd mention as a superior player Iginla got to play with.

The one thing about Hamrlik is that he got the best play out of Dion Phaneuf for some reason.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The one thing about Hamrlik is that he got the best play out of Dion Phaneuf for some reason.

I think that had more to do with the high of being a rookie. Phaneuf came out guns blazing.

I agree Hamrlik was a steady presence as his partner just don't think he was a huge part in his early success.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This list is a travesty.

Malkin is the 14th highest p/gp player of all time.
Iginla is the 14th highest goal scorer of all time.
Thornton is the 13th highest assist getter of all time.

Yeah but none of them belong to the yesteryear club. The NHL is an old boys club who refuses to live in the present when it comes to these sorts of things. Never mind the fact that the game and players today are far superior to the "good old days". Or the fact that more teams means a more competitive league. The old boys will always rule in the eyes of the NHL.

That and Canadian ancestry. Malkin will never receive the recognition he deserves because of his nationality.

[looooob]

apologies if someone else has done this exercise, or if I have missed a player but....40 years of Canadian born forwards in the top 100 list (1948-1988)
1948 none
1949 Clarke
1950 Perreault, Sittler
1951 Dionne, Lafleur
1952 none
1953 Gainey
1954 none
1955 none
1956 Trottier
1957 Bossy
1959 Gartner (total 1950s 9)
1960 none
1961 Gretzky, Savard, Messier
1962 Oates
1963 Francis
1964 Hull
1965 Yzerman, Lemieux
1966 Nieuwendyk, Robitaille
1967 none
1968 none
1969 Sakic, Shanahan (1960s 12)
1970 none
1971 none
1972 none
1973 Lindros
1974 none
1975 none
1976 none
1977 none
1978 none
1979 none (1970s 1)
1980 none
1981 none
1982 none
1983 none
1984 none
1985 none
1986 none
1987 Crosby
1988 toews
1989 none (1980s to date 2)

hmm. wonder if Iggy and Thornton (to name 2) could have helped bridge a gap
looking at that selection panel, several players born in the 1960s coincidence I'm sure?

[northcrunk]

I'm still struggling with Keith being on the top 100. Not sold on that pick.

[Strange Brew]

Great list Loooob. Thanks.

Bob Gainey over Iginla and Thornton. How hilarious.

[Fire]

Yeah, you know their must be a serious problem with that list if only one player born in the 1970's is on it. Maybe Iginla doesn't deserve to be on the list (I don't know, I haven't thought about too much), but seriously only one guy from the 1970's deserved to be on the list??? Hard to believe.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

There weren't too many Canadian born players from the era that were deserving, Iginla and Thornton are the only two that come to mind. It was back in 1998 when Canada came in fourth at the Olympics, 8th at the World Juniors and was awful at the World Championships as well that there was the big investigation into Hockey Canada. After that there was a much bigger emphasis on skills and developing players and I think we are seeing the benefits of that change now.

[icecube]

Malkin, Iginla, Thornton and Belfour were snubbed.

I just hate Jonathan Toews more and more with the hero worship he gets.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

There weren't too many Canadian born players from the era that were deserving, Iginla and Thornton are the only two that come to mind. It was back in 1998 when Canada came in fourth at the Olympics, 8th at the World Juniors and was awful at the World Championships as well that there was the big investigation into Hockey Canada. After that there was a much bigger emphasis on skills and developing players and I think we are seeing the benefits of that change now.

while for sure that was a relative dry spell I think those players (1970s cohort) also struggle from the offensive era that the NHL was under when they were in their scoring primes. no way a country can go from producing 15 top 100 forwards in one period (56-69) to zero in a comparable period (74-86)
sure Bossy, Messier, Trottier, Gretzky, Lemieux and a couple of others are all time greats, but there were Gartner, Nieuwendyk, Oates level players in the next 20 years

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Great list Loooob. Thanks.

Bob Gainey over Iginla and Thornton. How hilarious.

Pick someone not named Bob Gainey, the guy was one of the most complete players to ever put skates on.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by habernac

Pick someone not named Bob Gainey, the guy was one of the most complete players to ever put skates on.

pffffft 4 Selke Trophies

Make an effort Bob.

[powderjunkie]

Players who have scored more goals than Iginla based on Hockey Reference Adjusted Goals (admittedly imperfect, but helpful in levelling the playing field):

Howe
Jagr
Gretzky
Selanne
Hull

That's it, that's the list. Then Iginla.

Everyone on that list down to #19 (Andreychuk) made the top 100.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by habernac

Pick someone not named Bob Gainey, the guy was one of the most complete players to ever put skates on.

Gainey was an excellent player and worthy of being in the HHOF. But not close to the guys I referenced IMO. He was an elite defensive forward but never got a sniff of the Hart trophy.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by icecube

Malkin, Iginla, Thornton and Belfour were snubbed.

I just hate Jonathan Toews more and more with the hero worship he gets.

I agree with Belfour, one of the greats. Loved him.

[thefoss1957]

Meh...lists like this are, of course, completely subjective...and guys that the NHL wants to market get extra consideration, as do guys that are "lifetime members of the "old boy's club""...this fan just shrugs, and moves on...

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

Meh...lists like this are, of course, completely subjective...and guys that the NHL wants to market get extra consideration, as do guys that are "lifetime members of the "old boy's club""...this fan just shrugs, and moves on...

They didn't pick Iggy because he's black?