Just to put it in perspective and really show why Iggy didn't make it, I've got the Fan 590 from Toronto playing with these two (three?) idiots, and they only briefly mentioned Iggy in passing at the very end and not one guy said he'd be on their list.
Malkin, Chara, Lundqvist, Price, Weber, PK Subban, Karlsson and one or two others were mentioned before him and as bigger snubs.
They mentioned Connor McDavid before Iggy for ####s sakes!!! But said it's too early.
Iggy will forever have the Western curse. Most of the poeple who voted have probably barely ever seen him play.
To the eastern media Iggy is some random player who had one or two good seasons, rode a hot goaltender to the finals once and was part of that Boston Pittsburgh trade screwup but went on to have playoff failures with each of them.
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After reading some of the names included, it seems pretty obvious that he had to win some cups to be considered for this list. Apparently they only wanted winners and not actually the greatest players.
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After reading some of the names included, it seems pretty obvious that he had to win some cups to be considered for this list. Apparently they only wanted winners and not actually the greatest players.
Iginla and Thronton not being on there and Toews and Keith being in there, in my opinion, takes away all credibility from this list and makes it not even worth discussing. On par with a David Staples article.
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Yes but you have to admit Stanley Cups seemed to weigh heavily as factor.
Bob Gainey was an exceptional player but never, ever in the conversation for best player in the league.
Iginla, Thornton, Malkin - in that conversation for a number of years.
Same issue with Cournoyer. And some of the defensemen too.
Interesting that Lindros is on the list. Passed over six times in HHOF voting. Thornton, Malkin, Iginla will be passed over a combined total of zero times when it comes to HHOF induction.
I'm not taking it personally, nor outraged. It's meant to create interest and discussion. But I would feel better if the guy that owns every meaningful Calgary Flames individual franchise record was on the list.
Iginla and Thronton not being on there and Toews and Keith being in there, in my opinion, takes away all credibility from this list and makes it not even worth discussing. On par with a David Staples article.
Keith has two Norris trophies. Toews has selkes. You can make an argument they should be on the list.
Mats Sundin is a huge joke. Only.thing he won was the Messier leadership award.
Having him over any of Iginla, Malkin, or Thornton is a farce.
Mighty sad that the NHL undermined the credibility of this list to kiss the ass of a Chicago fan base that didn't give a crap about their team until they started winning Cups.
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Even at 33-67, I think the first 50 years are overrepresented when you consider the number of teams and roster size. We're talking about roughly 2800 players in the first 50 years vs. 24000 in the second 50 (12%).
The 33 represent the top 1.1% of players to play in that era. The 67 represent the top 0.03% since expansion.
I think a 25-75 split would have been a little better.
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Even at 33-67, I think the first 50 years are overrepresented when you consider the number of teams and roster size. We're talking about roughly 2800 players in the first 50 years vs. 24000 in the second 50 (12%).
The 33 represent the top 1.1% of players to play in that era. The 67 represent the top 0.03% since expansion.
I think a 25-75 split would have been a little better.
Fantastic analysis. Thank you - although I guess you could argue the larger number of players doesn't equate to larger number of greatest players.
Duncan Keith would be there for me as well. Watch the Hawks' playoff runs. The year he won the Conn Smythe, the guy was a robot on defense. It was impossible to get past him. Keith is a stud. Kane IMO should be there as well.
Iginla should be in the top 100 (somewhere in the 80-100 range for me). I think he is a better player then a guy liked Sundin.
I've seen guys like Robitaille or Lafontaine been mentioned. It was a different era but I grew up watching hockey when Robitaille was playing. He was the highest scoring LW in NHL history. He was a smart player and knew where to be. He's definitely in my top 100. Lafontaine finished his career with 1.17 PPG which is the highest among American born players.
I agree Iginla should be in but IMO over a guy like Sundin. With that being said I'd have Malkin ahead of Iginla for sure and Thornton should be in as well.
Why does it mean something to be the highest scorer amongst American born players???
Modano and Lafontaine, while great players, are totally over-rated just beciase they were born south of the border.
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Fantastic analysis. Thank you - although I guess you could argue the larger number of players doesn't equate to larger number of greatest players.
True, but your odds of winning a cup, leading the league in scoring or winning an individual award were astronomically better then.
It's ridiculous to punish a player for not winning a cup when they played their whole career in a 30 team league. There were ~12 years of 12-18 teams, ~12 years of 21 teams, 10 years of 25+ teams, and now 17 years of 30 teams.
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Keith has two Norris trophies. Toews has selkes. You can make an argument they should be on the list.
Mats Sundin is a huge joke. Only.thing he won was the Messier leadership award.
Having him over any of Iginla, Malkin, or Thornton is a farce.
I find it odd personal awards that are voted on are such a focus of this discussion. So much of them are the result of playing on a good team. Moreover they don't accurately represent much. Often the votes are done by the media who have a history of poorly judging players based on biases.
I think overall career statistics are far more important to this discussion than individual awards or team accomplishments.
Some seasons multiple players may have had historic achievements statistically but only one guy wins the hart, one guy the Norris. Other times you could have a bunch of guys with mediocre seasons but someone still gets the Hart and the Norris.
So who's better, the guy with far better career statistics, no cup, and only a 3rd place in the voting for an award and has never had a chance to win a cup or a Conn Smythe because he's played on a budget team or the guy who has ok stats and played ongreat teams and won an award because he was the best of a mediocre group?
I also agree with the other poster who pointed out that pre 1967 is over represented and their awards and cups aren't properly judged based on the era they played in.
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I think Iggy belongs in the top 100 as well, but I would prefer if this thread consisted of arguments for who should not be on the list in his favour rather than a bunch of incredulous posters who can't believe Iggy didn't make it.
