Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[TheScorpion]

I'll only be really mad at Treliving if he fails to extend Versteeg to a reasonable 2-year deal.

[flames_fan_down_under]

This is my analysis of Treliving:

The very good:

The trade for Dougie Hamilton was an absolute steal. He is an elite young D-man who is only getting better. We are very lucky to have him on the Flames.

The good:

Drafting of Tkachuk would be in the very good heading if it wasn't such an obvious pick, but still he made the selection and the kid looks like the real deal.

Signing Frolik was a good addition. My only gripe is he is overpaid, I guess that comes with him being a free agent, and he is an analytics darling, just IMO.

Picking up Kris Versteeg was also a good move this season as well.

The I don't know yet:

Brian Elliot and Chad Johnson

Goaltenders numbers are a lot of the time reflective of the system that they play in front of. There's a reason Darryl Sutter's goalies usually lead the league in GAA. The defensive scheme in front of our goalies is a mystery but they have also let in some back breaking mouldy stinkers far too often. I would give Treliving a pass here because these moves looked good at the time but Brad basically sewered himself when he hired GG.

The kind of bad:

Trading Granlund and Baertschi to division rival Canucks for Shinkaruk and a 2nd rounder. The Baertschi trade is starting to look like a stinker. I know I know he demanded a trade and he was looking pretty unmotivated but there isn't a lot to like about seeing a former top pick, on a division rival, second on his team in goals, and you don't even have a roster player in return. Granlund has 12 goals on the Nucks. Shinkaruk is not looking very good in the AHL. That's 2 NHL roster players at a combined 25 goals for no NHL roster players in return and 1 NHL assist this season. The Flames can ill afford to make bad trades after getting nothing from the Feaster trades. I guess it's still a wait and see with these two but as of now the Nucks are winning those trades handily.

The bad:

Trading for Bollig didn't work out. All we did is supply the Blackhawks with cap relief and now Bollig is in the AHL. Bad move.

Troy Brouwer. 3rd highest paid forward on the team, 3 more years on contract. He currently has 17 points in 44 games and is almost unnoticeable out there far too often. This has buyout written all over it.

We still don't have a top 6 winger.

It took him far too long to address the mess in goal last season and still our goaltending issues are not answered.

I will give Treliving a pass on the Wideman situation because there are 29 other NHL teams who know that he is not good and has a huge cap hit, not an easy sell.

Just the amount of dead weight on this team. There are guys on the Flames who I will be very surprised if they are still in the NHL a season from now. Bouma, Chiasson and Ferland are the big ones in my opinion. There is simply not enough talent on this roster.

The very bad:

Glen Gulutzan. The fact that Treliving hired this guy makes me seriously question his ability to assess talent. The fact that our top players have all collectively regressed is concerning and GG is to blame for this. He is not a good coach and this was Brad's hand picked guy when there are definitely better options available. Not good.

[TheScorpion]

Here's an interesting graph about Brouwer:



He really doesn't drive play at all. Not a good signing.

[nik-]

sweet graph

[TheScorpion]

Oh I didn't make it

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'll only be really mad at Treliving if he fails to extend Versteeg to a reasonable 2-year deal.

Really? Versteeg is a stop gap and hopefully it stops after this season. He looked good early on now he just looks small, out of shape and making too many mistakes. Would rather see a young AHL guy take his spot.

[kukkudo]

That graph shows that Brouwer is no good.

[calgaryblood]

That's the best graph I've ever not seen. If advanced stats were more like that graph, I could get behind it.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Really? Versteeg is a stop gap and hopefully it stops after this season. He looked good early on now he just looks small, out of shape and making too many mistakes. Would rather see a young AHL guy take his spot.

Versteeg at 1.5 for another year would be fine.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Oh I didn't make it

Image is not showing up on the forum itself unless you open it up on a new tab. Fixed it.

[wingmaker]

Didn't the Baertschi second rounder land the Flames Rasmus Andersson? Seems like a good deal to me. Still not a guaranteed NHL player but a very promising prospect. I am personally very glad that Baerschi is not on the team. Another average left winger who is at best a replacement for a <1 million dollar Versteeg. Meh.

[Azhouse]

Putting Paul Byron on waivers while keeping Raymond was bad.

The tending carousel ...bad.

Gio term (love the guy) bad.

Glue gun - bad
He may have one chance to pick his guy with lots of tenured options kicking around and this is what he comes up with? He probably would not make the same decision in hindsight. My worry is that he is going to stick with his guy until the bitter end deluding himself that this is part of "the process" (sick of this reference), thus wasting two years of everyone's time (if Tre makes it that long) and development.

[GioforPM]

Flames downunder: I can't agree with your Granlund/Sven opinion, and I'm not sold on GG being a bad coach. But opinions vary.

What you did leave out was what Treliving got for Glencross, Hudler and Russell. You also left out some harsh decisions - not signing Colborne for example.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

Putting Paul Byron on waivers while keeping Raymond was bad.

They were both put on waivers at the same time. No one wanted Raymond (and almost no one wanted Byron either -- Montreal had 28th priority to claim him).

[Par]

One of the bad things that Trevling did was not to, fire all the assistants and give Gulutzan a chance to pick his own coaches. It does not a genius to figure out that Sigalet is a bad coach.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Versteeg at 1.5 for another year would be fine.

It wouldn't be the end of the world but also don't see how it helps us moving forward.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Here's an interesting graph about Brouwer:



He really doesn't drive play at all. Not a good signing.

My question would be the context of how Brouwer used.

Is he getting massive defensive zone starts?
Is his quality of competition high?

Could be the answer to both is "yes", and it just so happens when those guys are matched with Brouwer that they are getting harder minutes than when they are without him.

I don't have the answers at my finger tips, but that would be my thought from visually watching Brouwer's utilization.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

That graph shows that Brouwer is no good.

No it really doesn't. It cherry picks 7 players out of no where and the length of the size of the lines aren't really that bad. A 5% decrease makes it seem like it's much bigger than it actually is.

Look at Engelland for example. Without Brouwer he sees a 3 or 4 % increase and that graph makes it seem like he sees double the production without Brouwer.

That's not excusing Brouwer because I agree he's been pretty invisible this year but that's not a good graph.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I defended Treliving for the Brouwer signing because it wasn't an awful contract when it was signed. And it may still turn out to be ok.

But he's just not been good this season. He's invisible in the worst way and just looks out of sync out there. Almost disinterested.

It's like we have Bourque or Glencross again. Except Brouwer is their permanent cold streak version.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

My question would be the context of how Brouwer used.

Is he getting massive defensive zone starts?
Is his quality of competition high?

Could be the answer to both is "yes", and it just so happens when those guys are matched with Brouwer that they are getting harder minutes than when they are without him.

I don't have the answers at my finger tips, but that would be my thought from visually watching Brouwer's utilization.

He has started 59% of his shifts in the offensive zone.

Funnily enough he used to be a Corsi stud with CHI and WAS.