Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Thank you for the interesting info. I do love that guy. But I was kind of joking that I'd take a dinosaur over GG.

Bertween all these threads, there seems to be two factions. The people that think GG completely sucks at his job (I'm in this camp), and the people that think that the players need to step it up.
I don;t understand how the players are the ones at fault, when the coach is making such persistently confusing decisions. I mean, Brodie. COME ON! GIVE IT UP! But no, GG is going to stick to his glue guns and keep playing Brodie where he sucks, instead of where he kicks ass.

At some point, you have to take what you can get, and GG isn't doing that. He's also not inspiring a poop to fall into a toilet. Yeah, there are 5 high end guys that are not performing at all, kind of suspicious, I think. Almost like the guy in charge isn't deploying his troops very well. But half the board want to blame it on the troops.

I should just go ahead and Godwin this topic and point out that Hitler was to blame for dividing his forces and attacking Russia in the winter. It wasn't the troops that failed, it was the battle plan. GG is worse than Hitler. lol

The whole post is funny, but the bolded part really made me laugh.

[TheKurgan]

I think Treliving has been a decent GM but I wouldn't lose any sleep over seeing him walk with the rest of management/coaching team. He has done some good, but also lots of bad that I think we tend to forget.

The Good: Extentions for Brodie and Backlund, trading for Hamilton, signing Frolik

The Bad: Signing Bollig, Raymond, and Bouma, Screwing up 2015/2016 season with the Hiller/Ramo tandem. Losing Byron on waivers

Jury still out: Baertschi and Grandlund to Canucks, Extentions for Gio, Monahan and Johnny

Not sure who to blame Chiasson on (GM hired him, but Coach keeps playing him for some reason)

[Ashasx]

I really don't get the focus on Chiasson. The cost to acquire him was near zero. His salary is minimal. Some fans believe he is overplayed. Every team has a player like him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheKurgan

I think Treliving has been a decent GM but I wouldn't lose any sleep over seeing him walk with the rest of management/coaching team. He has done some good, but also lots of bad that I think we tend to forget.

The Good: Extentions for Brodie and Backlund, trading for Hamilton, signing Frolik

The Bad: Signing Bollig, Raymond, and Bouma, Screwing up 2015/2016 season with the Hiller/Ramo tandem. Losing Byron on waivers

Jury still out: Baertschi and Grandlund to Canucks, Extentions for Gio, Monahan and Johnny

Not sure who to blame Chiasson on (GM hired him, but Coach keeps playing him for some reason)

Treliving didn't sign Bollig but traded for his contract which is even a bigger negative giving up an asset for a brutal player

I think left out of the good was the Russell and Glencross trades which brought back significant assets to the Flames to for a player that was out of the league and another that couldn't get more than a 1 year deal the week before camp started.

Hard to hate the extensions for Gaudreau and Monahan considering what they did prior to the deals and their age. If you want to say that is a potential mistake I think 29 other GM's make the same deal.

I would add the Brouwer signing to the "jury is still out" category or even put it in the bad box.

I think the Hamilton trade alone should get him another contract as that was an absolute steal and he has not made an equally terrible move to balance it out( although Gulutzan may prove to be that move). Hisnwork at the deadline selling players has been exceptional and he is 2-2 with his bigger UFA signings (Frolik and Engellend win, Brouwer, Raymond loss, Hiller draw since he was very good one year and awful the next)


Trades he won:
Hamilton
Glencross
Russell

Trades he lost
Bollig (if you call moving a 3rd rounder a loss)

The Canuck trades are still up in the air but currently in favor of the Canucks with potential for a Flames win.

[Saint Troy]

When was the last time Treliving gave an interview?

[Toonage]

Prior to the game vs. Montreal he sat down with Jeff Marek on Hockey Central.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Prior to the game vs. Montreal he sat down with Jeff Marek on Hockey Central.

Interview here.

[Hot_Flatus]

I honestly wonder if the owners are starting to meddle in hockey ops once again. Maybe they just cannot help themselves.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I honestly wonder if the owners are starting to meddle in hockey ops once again. Maybe they just cannot help themselves.

Once again? I think that meddling is constant. The Flames are a toy for Murray Edwards to play with. To the extent this season is a mess because the Flames played hardball with Johnny Gaudreau and limped out of the gate, blame for this season lies squarely with Edwards who i think didn't want to pay Gaudreau what he was asking for.

Just about every team goes thru a funk during the season. The current problems wouldn't be so dire if the Flames had registered even just 8 wins out of those first 16 games.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Corral

Once again? I think that meddling is constant. The Flames are a toy for Murray Edwards to play with. To the extent this season is a mess because the Flames played hardball with Johnny Gaudreau and limped out of the gate, blame for this season lies squarely with Edwards who i think didn't want to pay Gaudreau what he was asking for.

Nonsense, what do you know about Murray Edwards?

[Jay Random]

I know that Murray Edwards is a member of the group of owners who ran the team for 30 years before anybody thought of hiring a hockey professional to conduct a search for a general manager.

This franchise should have hired an independed POHO in 1991, the day after Cliff Fletcher quit. Instead, they kept promoting inadequate GMs from within, or hiring inexperienced people who would do the job on the cheap. That may not count as meddling; I would rather describe it as stubborn incompetence.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Nonsense, what do you know about Murray Edwards?

He moved to London in 2016 to avoid paying income taxes in Alberta, so we haven't talked lately.

[JohnnyB]

His trades have been quite good, but he screwed the season with the goalie situation last year, ditched a Jack Adams winning coach to have him take the fall for the blown season and hired a replacement that has caused the team to lose its mojo. Trades are nice for sure, but Treliving isn't that special a GM in my eyes.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Corral

Once again? I think that meddling is constant. The Flames are a toy for Murray Edwards to play with. To the extent this season is a mess because the Flames played hardball with Johnny Gaudreau and limped out of the gate, blame for this season lies squarely with Edwards who i think didn't want to pay Gaudreau what he was asking for.

Just about every team goes thru a funk during the season. The current problems wouldn't be so dire if the Flames had registered even just 8 wins out of those first 16 games.

Johnny's really proving he'd have been worth what he was asking for . He got a great contract.............he was looking for a contract that would be suitable for McDavid........clearly he's not McDavid. Thank god the Flames didn't cave to his demands because our best player would be vastly overpaid and outside of the impacts to our cap, it would be un-bearable around here to deal with the Johnny hate for him not living up to his generational talent contract we would have given him.

[IgiTang]

Wow... now some of you know something about how the owners are conducting business?

Let's talk some actual facts.

When it comes to the Gaudreau contract, the $8m+ was speculation. And in a negotiation there is the initial ask, which is usually inflated to end at a more desirable amount.

next, Gaudreau would not have signed a contract that he was unhappy with, especially for 6 years.

Gaudreau missed camp, came in and had to learn a new system and was not given the long leash he had under Harley where he was able to focus solely on offence.

Gaudreau's season, from out of the gate or at any other point, is solely on Gaudreau. No one else.

If anyone is to blame, in my opinion, it's his Captain and or coaches for not telling him to stop whining and complaining after he gets whacked because it's not going to change the refs mind. Play the game and don't give up on a play to yell at a ref.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Thank you for the interesting info. I do love that guy. But I was kind of joking that I'd take a dinosaur over GG.

Bertween all these threads, there seems to be two factions. The people that think GG completely sucks at his job (I'm in this camp), and the people that think that the players need to step it up.
I don;t understand how the players are the ones at fault, when the coach is making such persistently confusing decisions. I mean, Brodie. COME ON! GIVE IT UP! But no, GG is going to stick to his glue guns and keep playing Brodie where he sucks, instead of where he kicks ass.

At some point, you have to take what you can get, and GG isn't doing that. He's also not inspiring a poop to fall into a toilet. Yeah, there are 5 high end guys that are not performing at all, kind of suspicious, I think. Almost like the guy in charge isn't deploying his troops very well. But half the board want to blame it on the troops.

I should just go ahead and Godwin this topic and point out that Hitler was to blame for dividing his forces and attacking Russia in the winter. It wasn't the troops that failed, it was the battle plan. GG is worse than Hitler. lol

I don't agree with this completely, but definitely an epic post!

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I really don't get the focus on Chiasson. The cost to acquire him was near zero. His salary is minimal. Some fans believe he is overplayed. Every team has a player like him.

Does every other team play theirs on the top line?

Trelivings should have done more in the summer to address the right wing spot. Imagine this team if tkatchuck didn't make it and the hail Mary to Versteeg in the last hour hadn't worked.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Does every other team play theirs on the top line?

Trelivings should have done more in the summer to address the right wing spot. Imagine this team if tkatchuck didn't make it and the hail Mary to Versteeg in the last hour hadn't worked.

That's real easy to say, but it highlights where the fans expectations have gone. The assests in the organizatinon when BT took over the team were not strong enough, or deep enough to have him address all the holes in this team by now, at least not without further damaging our future.

BT has the hard task of filling cupboards, and trying to build a winner as quickly as possible to support our young core when they hit their prime. I'm not trying to give BT a pass, time will tell how he does, but expecting him to have filled every need in this team by now, without giving up young assets we really can afford to give up is simply not realistic.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Does every other team play theirs on the top line?

Trelivings should have done more in the summer to address the right wing spot. Imagine this team if tkatchuck didn't make it and the hail Mary to Versteeg in the last hour hadn't worked.

No, but a lot do.

Here are some distinguished top-line players on a few playoff bound (above wildcard) teams around the league...

Anaheim - Rakell
Chicago - Hartman, Panik
Edmonton - Maroon
Pittsburgh - Sheary, Rust
Washington - Beagle
Montreal - Danault
San Jose - Karlsson

A few of those guys are 3-4 years younger than Chiasson, a few of them are the same age or older. None of them are clear top-line players.

A big difference between the good teams and the average-to-bad teams is that good teams spread their players out. They usually have lines with 2 good-to-great players, and one guy who doesn't "fit." Part of this is because of the salary cap, and part of this is to balance out lines so that you can roll all of them with confidence.

There is a chance that even if the RW spot is addressed, that said player isn't gifted a spot on the top line and it still ends up going to a guy like Chiasson. The problem isn't Chiasson, it never has been. If your top two (or two of your top 3 or 4) players are playing together, they should be able to carry that line, period.

[EldrickOnIce]

Good read on Flames nation about the state of the team moving forward.
This perspective suggests, to me, that the GM has done a pretty good job.

The thing that piques my interest the most though, is how hilariously split this roster is in terms of talent. One portion of the team is, for the most part, good. They’re not all super stars, but they fit in their roles well and would be good pieces moving forward. The 3M line (duh), Gaudreau, Monahan, Versteeg, the top three defenceman, Ferland and I would even suggest Stajan in his bottom six role. The fact that some are GROSSLY overpaid for such roles is a different discussion altogether.

Then, you have the bottom side of the roster which, on most nights, is very bad and sometimes even costs the team points. Your Boumas, Engellands, Widemans and Jokkipakkas, who are not good.

I yielded from putting Chiasson in a category because I’m of the opinion he would make a very nice fourth line winger, he’s simply being misused due to circumstance right now, and Bennett because he’s still finding his way and hasn’t really been good or bad. Troy Brouwer is a guy who, by the eye test, seems fine in a third line role (to me, at least), but his underlying numbers suggest he is not fine in that role, or any role in the National Hockey League. He’ll always be overpaid, but I’m willing to give him a little more of a chance to prove he’s a competent bottom-sixer. Maybe I’m just a nice guy.

The great thing about this split is that, minus Versteeg, the good half is locked up (or RFA), and the bottom half already has a foot out the door, with all but Bouma set to be free agents on July 1. It’s the latter fact that gets me more excited about the Calgary Flames than I have been in a very long time.

http://flamesnation.ca/2017/1/25/fla...-be-contenders