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Old 01-26-2017, 02:19 PM   #21
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Do people actually refer to bridges in anything other than the street/avenue they are on?
In Calgary, quite a few. Usually the ones with history. Calf Robe specifically. Louise Bridge. Bonnybrook Bridge.

The Langevin Bridge specifically is called by name because it is primarily a connector between the roads it intersects - Memorial on the north side of the river and Riverfront/4th Ave on the south.

With such a pointlessly awkward name as "Reconciliation Bridge", the city has pretty much guaranteed it will still be referred to as the Langevin Bridge for some time yet.
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Yeah...its the Calf Robe Bridge.
I thought the was a give away. I know it is the Calf Robe Bridge, yet you hear people calling it Rope all the time.



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I was thinking more along the lines of 10th st bridge, 14th st bridge, center st, the flyover, etc..

I had to look up where the calf robe was haha
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Not a big fan of whitewashing history - and like it or not, Langevin and his name attached to the bridge is part of our history - but if we're going to rename the bridge, could we not give it such a stupid name?
I don't get this angle. Do people think that by changing the name of the bridge that we're going to forget about residential schools? If you want to look at a good example of this, look at Germany. They've managed to remove most of the monuments and dedications in the country to Hitler and the Nazis but it's not as if they've erased it from their history.
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Not a big fan of whitewashing history - and like it or not, Langevin and his name attached to the bridge is part of our history - but if we're going to rename the bridge, could we not give it such a stupid name?
This is not an actual example of whitewashing history. Whitewashing refers to the attempted elimination of an event or historical fact.

This does the exact opposite. It acknowledges the shortcomings of a historically significant figure.

It's a bridge name change, not the attempted erasure of the fact that Langevin promoted some very horrible things.

It's a fine name for a bridge.
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They can rename it, but I'll still call it Langevin Bridge.
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Oh, and what about Langevin School?
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I don't get this angle. Do people think that by changing the name of the bridge that we're going to forget about residential schools? If you want to look at a good example of this, look at Germany. They've managed to remove most of the monuments and dedications in the country to Hitler and the Nazis but it's not as if they've erased it from their history.
No, but the purpose here is to make us forget about a Father of Confederation.
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Yeah...its the Calf Robe Bridge.
Come on Locke you're better than that.
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They can rename it, but I'll still call it Langevin Bridge.
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Oh, and what about Langevin School?
They're talking about that too.

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No, but the purpose here is to make us forget about a Father of Confederation.
No, you've completely missed the point.

They even proposed a plaque for the bridge that talks about Langevin, his historical significance, and the residential school system.
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Oh, and what about Langevin School?
Good point:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/01/19...may-be-changed

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With city council pushing to change the name of Langevin Bridge to Reconciliation Bridge, the Calgary Board of Education says "dialogue is ongoing" when it comes to renaming Langevin School.

The inner-city school and nearby bridge spanning the Bow River are named after Hector-Louis Langevin — a Father of Confederation and a key player in the development of the residential school system.

Following a push in 2015 to rename both structures in the wake of the damning Truth and Reconciliation Report, which studied abuses of indigenous children in Canada’s residential school system, city council is scheduled to debate changing the name of the bridge to 'Reconciliation Bridge' on Monday.
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Do people actually refer to bridges in anything other than the street/avenue they are on?
I call the Peace Bridge the Bridge of Suburbia Tears
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No, you've completely missed the point.

They even proposed a plaque for the bridge that talks about Langevin, his historical significance, and the residential school system.
No, I just see the point a little differently, is all.

Mostly though, I'm more annoyed that the name they chose is asinine.
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I mean I'm not opposed to this or anything, but I do see Resolute's point. Going to need to get on re-naming Washington because, I mean, damn, that guy owned slaves. There are some fairly important historical figures who did some pretty terrible things or held some views we now consider abhorrent, but that doesn't change their importance. Just worth keeping in mind when approaching decisions like this. It's pretty easy to cross the line into "absolutely batcrap crazy"...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ch-racist.html

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ts-remove-name

http://www.dw.com/en/ghana-academics...tue/a-19562966

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A reactionary decision that is completely ignorant of the historical context of the day.

Pure stupidity - the consequence of political correctness run amok.
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A reactionary decision that is completely ignorant of the historical context of the day.

Pure stupidity - the consequence of political correctness run amok.
The historical context of unquestioned white supremacy?

and pretty please, save the ridiculous spiel that they had First Nations best interest in mind.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but Lindsay Park will be Lindsay Park until I die.

As for the bridge, I don't mind the name at all. It may be a lot of syllables, but it's a better name, considering who it was named after. Call it the tressled dildo for all I care. I support retroactively dishonouring people that we're not proud of.
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Props to Lindsay park for sure. Although Dr. Lindsay doesn't pay the bills quite like our local oil companies.

I've climbed Chinam....I mean Ha Ling dozens of times and it's really hard not to call it by the old and highly inappropriate name.

Reconciliation doesn't exactly roll off the tongue but it doesn't seem as bad today as it did yesterday.
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