01-25-2017, 11:45 PM
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#661
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Backlund's value will never be higher than it is going into this trade deadline.
He's got a year and half left at a good contract. He's a heck of a player - really taken a step this year. And he'd be a solid addition to a playoff team.
I bet he gets moved to a legitimate contender at the deadline and we'll get a late first round pick out of it.
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01-25-2017, 11:49 PM
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#662
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_carlson
Backlund's value will never be higher than it is going into this trade deadline.
He's got a year and half left at a good contract. He's a heck of a player - really taken a step this year. And he'd be a solid addition to a playoff team.
I bet he gets moved to a legitimate contender at the deadline and we'll get a late first round pick out of it.
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With a late first rounder we could draft anyone! Maybe even a mikeal backlund!
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01-25-2017, 11:53 PM
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#663
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Agreed.
Our GM likes to stockpile his draft picks though.
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01-26-2017, 12:12 AM
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#664
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_carlson
Backlund's value will never be higher than it is going into this trade deadline.
He's got a year and half left at a good contract. He's a heck of a player - really taken a step this year. And he'd be a solid addition to a playoff team.
I bet he gets moved to a legitimate contender at the deadline and we'll get a late first round pick out of it.
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If the best offer is a late 1st round pick then forget it.
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01-26-2017, 12:37 AM
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#665
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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We do not move one player from our top line. I would at this point consider Monahan for what he could bring back (AKA Duchene) rather than a late first for our top line center from all year
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01-26-2017, 12:49 AM
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#666
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
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Stajan wasn't half as good at his peak as Backlund is right now. Stajan was the default 1st line center on a bad team in Toronto, inflating his offensive stats.
Backlund isn't even given great offensive opportunities, and he still produces admirably. And your expectation is that he'll be an overpaid 4th line center in 4 years? Just odd.
Matt Stajan has nothing to do with Mikael Backlund
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I'm not comparing the two players, I know Backlund is a better player, I'm comparing their deals. In 4 years, Backlund won't be moving up to 1st or 2nd line centre, more likely 4th line, at best he will maintain 3rd line. You can't pay 3rd and 4th line players that kind of money. When you have the depth to push players of Backlunds calibre to the 3rd and 4th line, they need to be traded while at their peak value because in a cap world they aren't affordable. Bennett, Tkachuk are going to be off ELC in the next couple years, Flames will be paying a goalie 5+ mil, well maybe not but if they cheap out there we can count on seeing the same thing we have the past couple. I agree Backlund is great and deserves to get paid, it's just not going to work here unless one of our top young guys goes instead. Something has to give and to be successful I don't think trading the younger pieces are they way to do it.
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01-26-2017, 01:24 AM
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#667
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^ Nope. Detroit went for years with good team, passable goalies. No goalie save Hasek in his prime rights this ship.
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01-26-2017, 02:01 AM
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#668
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
I think there's next to no chance Backlund stays here. He will rightfully want a payday, he's earned it this year, and I think he is widely thought of as 'underrated' league-wide. There are going to be a lot of teams hungry for Backlund, because he is the type of player that would be on a Stanley Cup winning team 3rd line. He probably is the best 3rd line centre in the NHL, or top 5 of that specific role.
When Sidney Crosby sings your praises... you know other NHL and hockey experts are noticing things too. Calgary's got a gem in Backlund, and they won't be able to afford him plus a goalie, 3rd/4th D pairing and Tkachuk and Bennett.
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In 2018-19, the Flames will have 25m in capspace assuming they signed Bennett to a 2.5m x 2yrs and Backlund to a 5.5m x 5yrs. Guessed high on those contracts just for the sake of overestimating and assumed the cap stayed the same at 73m.
With Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Brouwer, Frolik, Bennett and Tkachuk on forward. Gio, Hamilton and Brodie on defense.
25m+ to find two top 9 guys, three 4th liners, one 2nd pairing defenseman, two 3rd pairing defensemen and two goalies.
I think it's especially doable while still taking into consideration that Bennet/Tkachuk both require new contracts as Brouwer and Frolik both will become UFAs at the end of 19-20 making them easier contracts to move if necessary.
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01-26-2017, 02:06 AM
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#669
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
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So much can happen from now to 2018-19 to say we'd have $25 million in cap space.
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01-26-2017, 03:07 AM
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#670
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_carlson
Agreed.
Our GM likes to stockpile his draft picks though.
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When has he ever traded a useful player with term left on their contract?
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01-26-2017, 07:18 AM
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#671
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_carlson
I bet he gets moved to a legitimate contender at the deadline and we'll get a late first round pick out of it.
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I don't think you can move him for a late first round pick. This team has proven it can't pick a decent NHL player with a 20+ first round pick. Backlund is the only player this organization has to show for well over a half dozen picks in this area. He would have to be traded for an organization's top young player/prospect.
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01-26-2017, 07:33 AM
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#672
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#1 Goaltender
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People dubbing Backlund our #1 centre are hilarious. Who is Sean Monahan ? Only the dude with 10 more goals in 100+ less games. If you seriously think Backlund is better than Monahan your out to lunch. Backlund is a very good player, but he is having a career year. Sean Monahan who has struggled enormously this season is 2 points behind Monahan. Backlund has also had the enjoyment of playing healthy all season and 2 REAL line mates.
I agree that Backlund is better this year, but it's not ever going to happen again IMO. I also wouldn't be surprised in Monahan passes him in the points department soon. Backlund is better defensively, but he's also what 5 years older ? Monahan is still our # 1 centre, and Backlund is still a good middle 6 centre.
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01-26-2017, 07:42 AM
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#673
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
People dubbing Backlund our #1 centre are hilarious. Who is Sean Monahan ? Only the dude with 10 more goals in 100+ less games. If you seriously think Backlund is better than Monahan your out to lunch. Backlund is a very good player, but he is having a career year. Sean Monahan who has struggled enormously this season is 2 points behind Monahan. Backlund has also had the enjoyment of playing healthy all season and 2 REAL line mates.
I agree that Backlund is better this year, but it's not ever going to happen again IMO. I also wouldn't be surprised in Monahan passes him in the points department soon. Backlund is better defensively, but he's also what 5 years older ? Monahan is still our # 1 centre, and Backlund is still a good middle 6 centre.
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No one is saying that. Everyone is saying that Backs is an excellent 3c on a great contract = valuable asset.
This is about whether or not to keep him.
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01-26-2017, 07:47 AM
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#674
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Bold prediction - Rangers will acquire Iginla & Wideman, run to the Cup final
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01-26-2017, 07:59 AM
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#675
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
We do not move one player from our top line. I would at this point consider Monahan for what he could bring back (AKA Duchene) rather than a late first for our top line center from all year
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgers Nose
No one is saying that. Everyone is saying that Backs is an excellent 3c on a great contract = valuable asset.
This is about whether or not to keep him.
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I'm not going to go through every page, but it's been said many times. Everyone willing to pay him over 5 mill is also realistically considering him a top 6 centre.
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01-26-2017, 08:07 AM
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#676
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2010
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He is an excellent #2C.
Right now Backlund is 30th in points among NHL centres. On a points basis, which is apparently his weakness, Backlund could be the #1C on the worst team in the NHL.
However, he's excellent defensively. I can't see how people can call him a #3 C. Maybe on Pittsburgh.
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01-26-2017, 08:14 AM
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#677
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uranus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
People dubbing Backlund our #1 centre are hilarious. Who is Sean Monahan ? Only the dude with 10 more goals in 100+ less games. If you seriously think Backlund is better than Monahan your out to lunch. Backlund is a very good player, but he is having a career year. Sean Monahan who has struggled enormously this season is 2 points behind Monahan. Backlund has also had the enjoyment of playing healthy all season and 2 REAL line mates.
I agree that Backlund is better this year, but it's not ever going to happen again IMO. I also wouldn't be surprised in Monahan passes him in the points department soon. Backlund is better defensively, but he's also what 5 years older ? Monahan is still our # 1 centre, and Backlund is still a good middle 6 centre.
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So this is all about points? You should really mention all the primo ice time Mr Monohan gets on the PP and riding shotgun to one the most skilled wingers in the league too if you're going to go down that road.
Backlund is producing at a better clip this year against some very tough match ups and can play substantially better defensively than Monohan. He is by far a superior player in almost every facet of the game. I'd even wager Backlund is more physical than Monohan 99% of the time.
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01-26-2017, 08:16 AM
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#678
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I would do Monahan for Duchane straight up. Caps are about even flames get more experianced. Avs do this because they get younger. Monahan has been a passenger too long his value is high right now and we should cash in. Duchane will be dynamite with Gaudreau.
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01-26-2017, 08:18 AM
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#679
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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I'd trade our 1st for Duchene. Doubt Colorado would go for it.
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01-26-2017, 08:18 AM
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#680
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin
He is an excellent #2C.
Right now Backlund is 30th in points among NHL centres. On a points basis, which is apparently his weakness, Backlund could be the #1C on the worst team in the NHL.
However, he's excellent defensively. I can't see how people can call him a #3 C. Maybe on Pittsburgh.
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Are we trying to build a contender ? On a contender Backs isn't in the top 6.
Pitts
Chicago
LA
SJ
Caps
ANA
The powerhouse contenders would have Backlund on the 3C. I'd be willing to bet you look at the last 10 cup winners and Backs is on the 3rd line of 80% of them.
I agree Backa can be a viable second line centre, but if we want to win cups it would be ideal to have him on the 3rd line.
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