American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I think I'm going to read these things in transcript form going forward. That would have been unbearable to watch. Which makes me want to salute David Muir, because it must have been excruciating to do. He didn't give up any softballs, despite Trump's unwillingness to answer them. His supporters will not care what an idiot he sounds like.

Please, as-yet-unknown asteroid, hurry. Cleanse this world.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His interview on ABC. Entire transcript, if you dare.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...ry?id=45047602

Wow! I read the entire transcript. The transcript could have been a tenth of its length if Trump didn't ramble so much.

I enjoyed listening to Obama due to his great speaking talents. Now, Trump is interesting to listen to because he is such a poor speaker. People made fun of Bush for his his Bushisms...Trump is going to eclipse Bush's worst moments.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

Wow! I read the entire transcript. The transcript could have been a tenth of its length if Trump didn't ramble so much.

I enjoyed listening to Obama due to his great speaking talents. Now, Trump is interesting to listen to because he is such a poor speaker. People made fun of Bush for his his Bushisms...Trump is going to eclipse Bush's worst moments.

You did better than I did. I coudnt get through the whole thing, too much brain hurt.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His interview on ABC. Entire transcript, if you dare.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...ry?id=45047602

That is a lot of evasive maneuvering. And is David Muir not allowed to pressure a bit more? He kind of gives us after 3 attempts to get a straight answer.

[wwkayaker]

puffnstuff, I struggled to not quit but I can't turn away from this train wreck. I taught for many years and I would have been disgusted with a grade three kid speaking so poorly.

[DuffMan]

Some day there will be a movie about a 12 year old boy, who somehow gets transmitted into the body of a 70 year old, who becomes president.
Someone like Tom Hanks will star in it.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Wormius

That is a lot of evasive maneuvering. And is David Muir not allowed to pressure a bit more? He kind of gives us after 3 attempts to get a straight answer.

I would have given up too! I think the reporter did a fine job maintaining his questioning with so many tangents.

[wwkayaker]

I like Tom Hanks and would rather not see him in that role. Tom Cruise seems fitting.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His interview on ABC. Entire transcript, if you dare.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...ry?id=45047602

What an utter buffoon.

[station]

Conspiracy theory time. Does anyone else think the barrage of agressive executive orders in the first few days is part of a Republican plan to set Trump up for failure? The orders are not mundane or limited to undoing Obama's legacy. They are his most controversial topics: immigration, refugees, the wall, climate change, torture, abortion, media censorship. All of these things are going to galvanize his opposition and immediately hurt his overall popularity.

I think his hardcore base of deplorables is around 20% and the other 26% voted for him because jobs, or just thought he might actually somehow grow up after becoming president. That group will abandon him at some point.

Now remember that Pence and Preibus are not Trump insiders, they represent the GOP establishment in his inner circle. He's clearly in over his head and utterly unprepared, so there is no way this is all his plan. I think they've designed it this way on purpose for these reasons:

1. It strokes his ego. He can lay out all his stupid big plans and get photo ops and feel like he's lord of the castle. His base fawns over their great leader actually making American great again, placating them. He stays busy and distracted so he doesn't drop nukes on Alec Baldwin or something. Without Obama and Clinton to rile them up his base slowly loses interest.

2. Distraction. Without knowing exactly how executive orders work, I assume half of this stuff is basically meaningless and won't actually come into effect. I doubt he can allocate funds to the border wall for instance without congressional approval. We're left to wring our hands over each ridiculous lie and affront to basic human dignity while the GOP establishment quietly implements their tea party dream agenda.

3. I think a lot of people were willing to give him a chance but it became clear very soon after he became PEOTUS that he wasn't going to change and the GOP couldn't control him. He is too much of a wild card and if he goes down, many in the GOP could go with him in the midterms if they don't play it right. Most of these Trump policies were heavily criticized by the GOP establishment during his primary run but they are conspicuously quiet now outside of a few. He is easily the most unpopular incoming president ever and his opposition is growing. Getting all of this out there right away hardens his detractors. The lies and outlandish statements will build up, the moderates will leave him, and soon all that will be left is the 20%. And even some of them will leave cause wtf they haven't gotten that 6 figure job yet and black people can still vote. Then the tax returns, apprentice tapes or Russian pee tapes come out and he's cooked. Pence is in and the GOP come out relatively unscathed cause hey they never wanted him in the first place. Pence is vanilla and controllable and America goes back to celebrities and fast food.

And somehow I'm actually hoping for all this to be true. What a time to be alive.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

His interview on ABC. Entire transcript, if you dare.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trans...ry?id=45047602

Man, this clown is in way over his head. It's pretty obvious he has absolutely no clue what he's doing. Not to mention he's just such a narcissistic buffoon.

[killer_carlson]

I think there are a lot of people who are counting on Trump to self destruct early on, and are giving Trump a lot of rope to hang himself.

The problem for them is that people have been expecting Trump to self destruct for a year now and it hasn't happened. The opposite has happened. He's built a narrative, dominated the media cycle, changed politics and became President.

I think he's playing a lot of people like fiddles right now, but they don't know it.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

I like Tom Hanks and would rather not see him in that role. Tom Cruise seems fitting.

Have you not seen the movie Big?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think there are a lot of people who are counting on Trump to self destruct early on, and are giving Trump a lot of rope to hang himself.

The problem for them is that people have been expecting Trump to self destruct for a year now and it hasn't happened. The opposite has happened. He's built a narrative, dominated the media cycle, changed politics and became President.

I think he's playing a lot of people like fiddles right now, but they don't know it.

Agreed. He has proven himself too smart and definitely far too stubborn to be manipulated by anyone.

The same Republicans that tried their darndest to get rid of him for the last 18 months certainly aren't smart enough to pull it off now that he's actually in the White House.

Those guys must be terrified of the boss now, if they weren't before.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

The difference is now they are in the position of power, as soon as he ####s up, which he will, they will impeach him. All the people he spent a year mocking are the people who can impeach him and who wouldn't think twice about doing so.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by station

Conspiracy theory time. Does anyone else think the barrage of agressive executive orders in the first few days is part of a Republican plan to set Trump up for failure? The orders are not mundane or limited to undoing Obama's legacy. They are his most controversial topics: immigration, refugees, the wall, climate change, torture, abortion, media censorship. All of these things are going to galvanize his opposition and immediately hurt his overall popularity.

I think his hardcore base of deplorables is around 20% and the other 26% voted for him because jobs, or just thought he might actually somehow grow up after becoming president. That group will abandon him at some point.

Now remember that Pence and Preibus are not Trump insiders, they represent the GOP establishment in his inner circle. He's clearly in over his head and utterly unprepared, so there is no way this is all his plan. I think they've designed it this way on purpose for these reasons:

1. It strokes his ego. He can lay out all his stupid big plans and get photo ops and feel like he's lord of the castle. His base fawns over their great leader actually making American great again, placating them. He stays busy and distracted so he doesn't drop nukes on Alec Baldwin or something. Without Obama and Clinton to rile them up his base slowly loses interest.

2. Distraction. Without knowing exactly how executive orders work, I assume half of this stuff is basically meaningless and won't actually come into effect. I doubt he can allocate funds to the border wall for instance without congressional approval. We're left to wring our hands over each ridiculous lie and affront to basic human dignity while the GOP establishment quietly implements their tea party dream agenda.

3. I think a lot of people were willing to give him a chance but it became clear very soon after he became PEOTUS that he wasn't going to change and the GOP couldn't control him. He is too much of a wild card and if he goes down, many in the GOP could go with him in the midterms if they don't play it right. Most of these Trump policies were heavily criticized by the GOP establishment during his primary run but they are conspicuously quiet now outside of a few. He is easily the most unpopular incoming president ever and his opposition is growing. Getting all of this out there right away hardens his detractors. The lies and outlandish statements will build up, the moderates will leave him, and soon all that will be left is the 20%. And even some of them will leave cause wtf they haven't gotten that 6 figure job yet and black people can still vote. Then the tax returns, apprentice tapes or Russian pee tapes come out and he's cooked. Pence is in and the GOP come out relatively unscathed cause hey they never wanted him in the first place. Pence is vanilla and controllable and America goes back to celebrities and fast food.

And somehow I'm actually hoping for all this to be true. What a time to be alive.

I believe the Republicans will use Trump as a pawn to get all their aggressive right wing agenda implemented, I'm talking the crazy #### that no one would even think was possible, and then set up President Comacho for the fall, knowing Pence is, as you said, controllable. The Republicans will have the majority of their agenda instituted and be able to blame Trump. They can then come in, kill some of the ridiculous stuff, and come out looking like conquering heroes in time for the mid terms.

[DuffMan]

I like Trumps theory that if America had taken Iraqs oil, ISIS never would have existed.

[GGG]

I reread 1984 last week and the line that keeps coming back to me is "our only hope is the Prols". The Prols in this case being republican primary voters.

Trump will be president until the threat of being primaried from regular republicans becomes greater than the threat of being primaried by deplorables. I don't think their is a master plan here to use and toss out trump. I think his ego gets in the way of the republicans implementing their agenda. Things like the wall the republicans would prefer didn't exist/. Though much of the legislation that gets passed domestically is really bread and butter rebublican stuff.

So if you really want to get rid of Trump join the Republican Party and vote in their primary.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Man, this clown is in way over his head. It's pretty obvious he has absolutely no clue what he's doing. Not to mention he's just such a narcissistic buffoon.

Reading that transcript is interesting and kind of sad.

I never liked Donald Trump, but he actually seems to be deteriorating quickly. I had an older family member who suffered from dementia and this reminds me of how it started. The impaired reasoning is such a horrible thing to watch, but it is downright scary when that person is the POTUS.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think there are a lot of people who are counting on Trump to self destruct early on, and are giving Trump a lot of rope to hang himself.

The problem for them is that people have been expecting Trump to self destruct for a year now and it hasn't happened. The opposite has happened. He's built a narrative, dominated the media cycle, changed politics and became President.

I think he's playing a lot of people like fiddles right now, but they don't know it.

I think I finally understand this line of thinking. It's more comforting and it helps you feel more at ease thinking that Trump is actually involved in some plan here, that he has something up his sleeve. Because I can see how frightening it would be to think he's as demented, insane and megalomaniacal as it appears, because that means he can destroy all of humanity at anytime, if he's triggered the wrong way. So it's best to think it's all a plot, rather than what it obviously appears to be. Misdirecting your own mind basically, convincing yourself that what you see and hear isn't actually real, rather it's an intricate plot.

Because, seriously, if you read the Bernhard Langer story and still think this is some kind of "plan", I'm not really sure what else to say anymore. He literally makes #### up just to pump himself up about how awesome and right he is about everything. In fact, he doesn't actually think for himself at all. Case in point....



So he basically goes with the very last thing he hears as his current version of events. Suffice to say, hackers, find a mother ####ing way to hack every White House TV and change the channel to National Geographic, or Discovery, maybe he'll start tweeting out scientific facts instead of whatever FOX News says. Which of course means FOX News is significantly more powerful than they've ever been. Dumbo is gonna repeat whatever they say. What an amazing opportunity for Rupert Murdoch to manipulate the President of the United States into doing whatever he wants.