American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Also, honest question, how much does an abortion cost in the US? I was under the impression that it was like $150.

"As you guessed, it can vary: from $0 to over $3,000"

I was curious about this myself, figuring it was a sliding scale of some sort depending on where you went in what city. Came up with this article:

https://clearhealthcosts.com/blog/20...raft-theresas/

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

The bottom line is, Republicans want to control what women do with their bodies, because Jesus.

Which is par for the course. The entire religion is based around the fact that a man took choice away from a woman by impregnating her without her knowledge or consent, with his "saviour child."

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Which is par for the course. The entire religion is based around the fact that a man took choice away from a woman by impregnating her without her knowledge or consent, with his "saviour child."

Not that it could matter any less, really, but this isn't true. According to the Gospel of Luke, God sent Gabriel to tell Mary what was going to happen and how she was going to have a son named Jesus without any sex, and she was all, "sure, sounds good, what you said Angel buddy".

Of course none of any of this happened anyway, so, whatever.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Trump has access to the "biscuit". Look it up.

It's not the latest revelation from that BuzzFeed piss-party story, is it?

[Minnie]

I don't disagree with you on the "none of it even happened" part, but she was what, 13 or so when this was all alleged to have occurred? Naive and a child and some guy says ####'s gonna happen? I'd probably be "sure ok whatever you say" just so they'd eff off lol, and not believe it a word of it. But anyway, tangent and never mind. I'm super cranky today and just want Trump et al to just be swallowed by a gigantic sinkhole and reacting rather than being proactive.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Hockeyboy2, undeniably there is that segment of the population. At the same time though, if there is someone who doesn't want a child, and is willing to go through an invasive medical procedure not to have that child, maybe they shouldn't have the child. If a child is aborted, it indicates to me that the woman isn't interested in raising the child. I don't know the statistics for adoption for children with developmental disabilities, but I do know from volunteering with these children that a high percentage of them live in group homes or care centres.

Your experience may differ but don't confuse that with being the norm. If someone doesn't want the child it does more disservice to the woman, the child and society at large to force her to deliver the child to term.

The strange thing is in the USA, they can force the mother to have the child to term and then have a complete lack of supports afterwards and the right wing loves it. It is bizarre to me that as soon as the baby is born, it is "mission accomplished" and best of luck... postnatal care - Nope; maternity/paternity leave - Nope; government funded childcare - Nope (admittedly we lack this in Canada too); pediatric care covered - Nope. Immunizations covered - Double Nope... just horribly misplaced ideals.

And I agree with you 100%

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Honestly regardless of age if an angel appeared to me and said... basically anything to me I'd probably be "sure ok whatever you say". It's a friggin' angel.

[DuffMan]

So God impregnated a 13 year old girl, from space, with himself?

[wwkayaker]

So Trump is pushing for an investigation into voter fraud. His treasury nominee is registered to vote in two states. You couldn't make up this much crap if you tried.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politi...ion/index.html

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

I would not be alive today writing this, if I had been born to a person such as this and I would say my professional and volunteer pedigree would lead to the conclusion that it was a good thing I was born.

I am so very graciously lucky that I have the best parents I think anyone could ever ask for who supported me and made me into honestly the great man I am today.

If this was my only experience I would say of course women have the right to choose 100% of the time, because hey my parents chose right and groomed me despite my "deficiencies" to become a professional and physical powerhouse. I get complimented on my looks and my business acumen on the daily and I am in my twenties.

I didn't know Congenital Humility Deficit (CHD) could be detected on an ultrasound.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

So Trump is pushing for an investigation into voter fraud. His treasury nominee is registered to vote in two states. You couldn't make up this much crap if you tried.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politi...ion/index.html

He also said that none of the people who committed voter fraud would have voted for him.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

If this was my only experience I would say of course women have the right to choose 100% of the time, because hey my parents chose right and groomed me despite my "deficiencies" to become a professional and physical powerhouse. I get complimented on my looks and my business acumen on the daily and I am in my twenties.

But I have met women and couples, some fantastic, but some superficially vain and horrible, these women with todays technology would have taken one look at my "deformities" which turned out not to be much at all and said "no my child is not perfect, abort now!"

This just cannot happen, so how do you balance this?

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

I know of an orange-haired chicken nugget who enjoys the bodily fluids of Russian prostitutes on him that has an uncanny resemblance to you.

[Flash Walken]

This is all very academic fascism.

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood:

"Make America Great Again"

, ""

In Chicago, they've had thousands of shootings, thousands since Jan. 1. Thousands of shootings," Trump said.

humiliation or victimhood:

"In an especially telling passage, Ivana recalls the first time she went skiing with Mr Trump, who expected to outshine her. He had no clue that she was in fact accomplished on the slopes.

“So he goes and stops, and he says, ‘Come on, baby. Come on, baby,’” she recalled. “I went up. I went two flips up in the air, two flips in front of him. I disappeared. Donald was so angry, he took off his skis, his ski boots, and walked up to the restaurant. ... He could not take it. He could not take it.” Only later did they retrieve his abandoned gear from the piste."

cults of unity, energy and purity:

"Members of the self-declared "alt-right" have exulted over the Nov. 8 results with public cries of "Hail Trump!" and reprises of the Nazi salute. The Ku Klux Klan plans to mark Trump's victory with a parade next month in North Carolina. Civil rights advocates have recoiled, citing an uptick in harassment and incidents of hate crimes affecting African-Americans, Jewish-Americans, Muslims, Latinos, gays, lesbians and other minority groups since the vote.

The president-elect has drawn repeated criticism for being slow to offer his condemnation of white supremacists. His strongest denunciation of the movement has not come voluntarily, only when asked, and he occasionally trafficked in retweets of racist social media posts during his campaign.

Further, Trump has named Stephen Bannon, the conservative media provocateur who shaped the final months of Trump's campaign, as a White House chief strategist who will work steps from the Oval Office. Bannon's appointment has become as a flashpoint for both sides.

Trump's detractors and his "alt-right" supporters broadly agree on one thing: It may not even matter what Trump himself believes, or how he defines his own ideology, because his campaign rhetoric has emboldened the white identity politics that will help define his administration."

mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion:

The bracing critique of the conservative infotainment complex leveled by the dissident right is something to which most conservative elites simply have no answer. For every conservative leader like National Review’s Goldberg or David French who are willing to admit that the right has been fleecing its grassroots with fake medical cures and wild conspiracy theories, there are at least 10 more who are doing that exact thing or renting out their email lists to companies who do.

As more and more average conservatives have come to believe that race is the reason they haven’t seen their impossible dreams realized, mainline conservative media have become contaminated by racism as well. Just within the past few years, many right-leaning publications have become obsessed with race and crime stories. Pretty much any day of the week, you can turn on the radio or TV or visit a major conservative publication and find stories featuring supposed black violent criminals, especially if the stories involve allegations of black-on-white crime. The comments are invariably filled with hundreds of racist remarks.

This trend has not gone unnoticed by the alt-right, as neo-Confederate blogger Brad Griffin observed last month. In a lengthy post, Griffin explained in detail how mainstream conservative sites are picking up alt-right racial agitprop and repackaging it as clickbait for regular Republican readers. In the 20th century, the combination of libertarianism with conservative traditionalism became known as “movement conservatism.” In the 21st century, the melding of Tea Party anger with white nationalism is giving birth to what Griffin and others are calling the “alt-lite.”

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

I know of an orange-haired chicken nugget who enjoys the bodily fluids of Russian prostitutes on him that has an uncanny resemblance to you.

I'm sitting here at my computer trying to think of a response and yeah I could not care less. In fact typing this is more of an argument than its worth.

Haha nice observational skills.

I'll say it again I am for a womans right to choose 100% yet my own personal experience shows anomalous to this issue.

You have a great day.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

I didn't know Congenital Humility Deficit (CHD) could be detected on an ultrasound.

Your response made me wiki this, thanks for increasing my medical knowledge.

You are however 100% wrong about me, however I am sure you will disagree 100% about that. Thus the problems with political discourse.

Anyways have a good evening.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

I'm sitting here at my computer trying to think of a response and yeah I could not care less. In fact typing this is more of an argument than its worth.

If you can't care any less, then why were you spending time trying to think of a response?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Your response made me wiki this, thanks for increasing my medical knowledge.

You are however 100% wrong about me, however I am sure you will disagree 100% about that. Thus the problems with political discourse.

Anyways have a good evening.

I'm with you.

I too am a remarkable physical specimen with genius business skills.

My third, and possibly most important skill, is the ability to ignore the rolled eyes and the actual laugh-out-louds when I tell people this.

Now I'm not saying that every single person who read your hilariously self-aggrandizing post rolled their eyes or laughed out loud, but they did.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Being a devout Christian or being a former Miracle Network posterboy really confuses this issue.

I think women have the right to choose but I know for a fact that if my parents were not as incredibly wonderful as they are, I would not be responding to this post.

Children have the right to life, but there are indeed circumstances where a woman has every right in the world to choose.

In my opinion which is again just my opinion the majority of women are great people (I married the bestest of all women). Who would always love and care for and protect their childrend, however there are a minority that would find the slightest birth defect with todays technology and say ahhhh to hell with it....abort!!!!

I would not be alive today writing this, if I had been born to a person such as this and I would say my professional and volunteer pedigree would lead to the conclusion that it was a good thing I was born.

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

I will reply to my reply. In a perfect world any child born in good circumstances would be allowed to be born.

I am so very graciously lucky that I have the best parents I think anyone could ever ask for who supported me and made me into honestly the great man I am today.

If this was my only experience I would say of course women have the right to choose 100% of the time, because hey my parents chose right and groomed me despite my "deficiencies" to become a professional and physical powerhouse. I get complimented on my looks and my business acumen on the daily and I am in my twenties.

But I have met women and couples, some fantastic, but some superficially vain and horrible, these women with todays technology would have taken one look at my "deformities" which turned out not to be much at all and said "no my child is not perfect, abort now!"

This just cannot happen, so how do you balance this?

I guess your parents skipped the lessons on humility.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by wwkayaker

So Trump is pushing for an investigation into voter fraud. His treasury nominee is registered to vote in two states. You couldn't make up this much crap if you tried.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politi...ion/index.html

Oh it's not just his treasury nominee.

White House chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon was registered to vote in both New York and Florida for several months, even though he sent a letter trying to get himself removed from the rolls in Florida, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Bannon registered to vote in New York on Oct. 14, 2016, and cast an absentee ballot there, according to New York City elections officials. At the time, he was serving as chief executive of now-President Trump's campaign. But he was also registered in Sarasota County, Fla., where he had been on the voter rolls since Aug. 25, officials said.

White House officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Meanwhile, voting registration records show that Trump's youngest daughter, Tiffany, is registered at addresses in Philadelphia and in New York, as Heat Street first reported.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.02b603467c80

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Being a devout Christian or being a former Miracle Network posterboy really confuses this issue.

I think women have the right to choose but I know for a fact that if my parents were not as incredibly wonderful as they are, I would not be responding to this post.

Children have the right to life, but there are indeed circumstances where a woman has every right in the world to choose.

In my opinion which is again just my opinion the majority of women are great people (I married the bestest of all women). Who would always love and care for and protect their childrend, however there are a minority that would find the slightest birth defect with todays technology and say ahhhh to hell with it....abort!!!!

I would not be alive today writing this, if I had been born to a person such as this and I would say my professional and volunteer pedigree would lead to the conclusion that it was a good thing I was born.


I will reply to my reply. In a perfect world any child born in good circumstances would be allowed to be born.

I am so very graciously lucky that I have the best parents I think anyone could ever ask for who supported me and made me into honestly the great man I am today.

If this was my only experience I would say of course women have the right to choose 100% of the time, because hey my parents chose right and groomed me despite my "deficiencies" to become a professional and physical powerhouse. I get complimented on my looks and my business acumen on the daily and I am in my twenties.

But I have met women and couples, some fantastic, but some superficially vain and horrible, these women with todays technology would have taken one look at my "deformities" which turned out not to be much at all and said "no my child is not perfect, abort now!"

This just cannot happen, so how do you balance this?

I'm not the only one thinking this is Eric Trump or Donald Trump Jr right?