#Letstalk (unless it's about our own employees)

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Bell DOES donate to organizations/hospitals and in total have committed over $80 million to the cause.

Instead of posting about something you clearly have no idea about maybe try doing a little research.

Speaking of research, that's another thing Bell does. They donate money to mental health research.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

No company does things like this for truly altruistic motivation. If they did it would be #LetsTalk.

It doesn't demean the work or results from raising awareness of donating millions to mental health causes. I'm not sure why people need to be negative about this. It's getting thousands of people to open up and talk about something that is highly stigmatized while donating millions. On what planet should we complain about that? Where's the negative part we should be worried about?

Every year we fundraise for the women's shelter and you bet I want my picture in the paper with recognition of what we did. It's that wrong? We put a massive amount of work into raising that money and yes I want customers to associate my business with that action.


Edit: just to clarify, I'm not correcting this at you buy at all the negative Nancy's that want to somehow make this negative because bell wants credit for the campaign

Yeah but no one is angry at Bell (well except the OP of this thread, but no one either of you have responded to anyway). Literally all the OP did was say that it seemed like a wasted of money to spend so much on swag.

Seems like a reasonable criticism to me. I think we all know no company would do this from a purely altruistic standpoint, but his concern based on his personal experience with Bell's swag boxes, does not somehow negate the positive of the Let's Talk day.

There is no reason to be hostile to anyone who merely suggests that they could improve how they do this.

I have concerns about the effectiveness of this type of awareness campaign as it represents a type of slacktivism that makes people feel like they've helped achieve something positive, even though they may have literally done nothing. To me that is actually counterproductive to any initiative because it may decrease much needed financial support since people feel satisfied with their promotion of awareness and slacktivism. It is essentially passing the buck.

I'm neither proud of, nor angry at, Bell. Frankly I don't give a hoot about Bell. I care about mental health facilities being funded, built or at the very least prevented from being closed. I care about more mental health professionals being hired and more workplaces taking mental health seriously. And my priorities and feelings on this subject do not diminish any positive work Bell may do. These things are not mutually exclusive. It is possible that I, and others, may feel like Let's Talk is a start, but on the whole woefully inadequate and insufficient to help deal with real mental health issues.

[Finger Cookin]

Jesus we can have 20 ####ing years of pink #### shoved down everyone's throats (EDIT: Wow, closer to 35 YEARS) to raise "awareness" of breast cancer (like anyone over the age of 10 is unaware of it), but god forbid mental health get talked about one day a year. Even if it's a corporation doing it to get people talking while also making a donation based on that larger discussion and awareness.

GMFG

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

The point is that most of the swag doesn't have any information or context. It's just wrist bands, clothing, buttons, etc. with the talk logo and Bell corporate logo. It just looks like Bell putting their logos on things. I don't see how the money spent on this stuff helps with mental illness.

If Bell had instead donated the money to mental health organizations or perhaps sponsored mental health advocates to go to companies and give lectures while simultaneously handing out this product, it might have helped. Instead, Bell just mailed boxes of swag to different companies with their logos emblazoned on stuff. I asked around the office and nobody had any idea what it was, they were just grabbing free t-shirts. I wouldn't have thought twice about it if I didn't see the thread here on CP.

To me, (and without context or background) it doesn't look altruistic. It sounds more like a marketing slogan to get people to purchase more Bell cell phone plans in order to talk more.

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*Not my hairy arm.

So what you are saying is you saw the swag, remebered the slogan, later on saw something related to it, clicked on it, and talked about it.

It seems like the swag worked pretty well at getting you to talk about how mental health could be handled better in the country

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'd love to know what Bell is actually doing to help with the treatment of mental illness. Awareness sounds great, but has very little substance.

http://medias.letstalk.bell.ca/news/...28-2016-EN.pdf

http://letstalk.bell.ca/en/results-impact/

http://letstalk.bell.ca/en/ways-to-help

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

http://medias.letstalk.bell.ca/news/...28-2016-EN.pdf

http://letstalk.bell.ca/en/results-impact/

http://letstalk.bell.ca/en/ways-to-help

Do you have any Alternative Facts?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yeah but no one is angry at Bell (well except the OP of this thread, but no one either of you have responded to anyway). Literally all the OP did was say that it seemed like a wasted of money to spend so much on swag.

Seems like a reasonable criticism to me. I think we all know no company would do this from a purely altruistic standpoint, but his concern based on his personal experience with Bell's swag boxes, does not somehow negate the positive of the Let's Talk day.

There is no reason to be hostile to anyone who merely suggests that they could improve how they do this.

I have concerns about the effectiveness of this type of awareness campaign as it represents a type of slacktivism that makes people feel like they've helped achieve something positive, even though they may have literally done nothing. To me that is actually counterproductive to any initiative because it may decrease much needed financial support since people feel satisfied with their promotion of awareness and slacktivism. It is essentially passing the buck.

I'm neither proud of, nor angry at, Bell. Frankly I don't give a hoot about Bell. I care about mental health facilities being funded, built or at the very least prevented from being closed. I care about more mental health professionals being hired and more workplaces taking mental health seriously. And my priorities and feelings on this subject do not diminish any positive work Bell may do. These things are not mutually exclusive. It is possible that I, and others, may feel like Let's Talk is a start, but on the whole woefully inadequate and insufficient to help deal with real mental health issues.

What a silly post. Calling it slacktivism is just foolish.

They have donated millions to mental health research. Over $80 million dollars to the campaign which includes money to hospitals and for organizations that help with the mentally ill.

And you have "concerns"? How can something be a waste of money when it isn't your money and it's not government money? If Bell wants to spend millions to buy buttons and T shirts to raise awareness about mental health and to diminish the stigma of mental health and get people to feel comfortable talking about their problems then good on them. They're doing a lot more for mental health progress than you've ever done in your entire life for any organization period.

You seem to be an expert on how other people should spend their money, feel free to tell us how you donate your money and time to charity.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Jacks

As has been said, it is highly unlikely that her termination was processed in an hour, not impossible but highly unlikely. I could probably get it done but it would have to be an instant decision and the HR person would have to literally drop everything and get working on the ROE and cheque.

I'm going to sound like a big capitalist meanie here but oh well. It's entirely possible that she was on thin ice already and knew she was going to be fired. At that point she went to the doctor and told him she was having issues and got a note and prescription. Then when presenting this to the company it accelerated the process (as others have said).
Sound like a rude, nasty and crazy theory?
I've seen the exact same thing happen more than once. I had an employee who screwed up royally due to laziness and stupidity and knew he was getting canned. I was off that day and he was called in for Monday at 9:00am, wouldn't take a rocket appliance to know he was getting axed. He showed up on Monday with a doctors note saying that he was going on stress leave. I fired him anyway and told him to have his lawyer contact us if he wanted to take it any further.

I would say there is a 99% chance that this is exactly what happened.

Also it's shocking how unaware a lot of people seem to be when it comes to their rights in the workplace. A company can fire you pretty much whenever they want to if you aren't unionized. Even if they don't have cause, the labour board can rule in your favour that you were indeed wrongfully terminated but they do not have the power to make that employer reinstate you, and the most I believe they can be required to pay you is a severance of up to 8-10 weeks max. If you were terminated in a manner that violated your human rights, then you have a chance at the tribunal ruling in your favour for reinstatement, however in those situations the employer will usually offer a severance package that you can't turn down to settle the matter.

So yeah, unionize!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

What a silly post. Calling it slacktivism is just foolish.

They have donated millions to mental health research. Over $80 million dollars to the campaign which includes money to hospitals and for organizations that help with the mentally ill.

And you have "concerns"? How can something be a waste of money when it isn't your money and it's not government money? If Bell wants to spend millions to buy buttons and T shirts to raise awareness about mental health and to diminish the stigma of mental health and get people to feel comfortable talking about their problems then good on them. They're doing a lot more for mental health progress than you've ever done in your entire life for any organization period.

You seem to be an expert on how other people should spend their money, feel free to tell us how you donate your money and time to charity.

Why are you so mad? Stop being so sanctimonious and using something like mental health awareness as a way to perpetuate petty internet pissing matches. Truly embarrassing to use a campaign such as this a front to one up other people and take attention away from the real discussion.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why are you so mad? Stop being so sanctimonious and using something like mental health awareness as a way to perpetuate petty internet pissing matches. Truly embarrassing to use a campaign such as this a front to one up other people and take attention away from the real discussion.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm doing, good one. Your posts in this thread have been ridiculous, that's why I'm calling them out.


First you said why doesn't Bell donate money to organizations and agencies that actually help with the mentally ill. Several people including myself then showed you they do donate money to agencies and hospitals and do help the mentally ill and then you changed your tune and started arguing about what their true intentions were.

Yeah, you're not shocking anyone that a company who spends $80 million dollars would like a little business for their company for the good work they're doing. The fact you replied to my post is why I'm replying back with facts not because I'm trying to one up you.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing. If you didn't want an argument you wouldn't have replied with something so silly to begin with.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'd love to know what Bell is actually doing to help with the treatment of mental illness. Awareness sounds great, but has very little substance.

This is one of your comments that instead of asking and making it seem like Bell is just doing lazy slacktivism could have been avoided if you did a simple 5 second Google search and found out they have been donating to the treatment of the mentally ill.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Why are you so mad? Stop being so sanctimonious and using something like mental health awareness as a way to perpetuate petty internet pissing matches. Truly embarrassing to use a campaign such as this a front to one up other people and take attention away from the real discussion.

How good of you to bring up real discussion. All the discussion today isn't real and you're bringing it back! Great job!

[MRCboicgy]

What is going on in here?

[Ryan Coke]

-People who get fired usually have some half baked excuse laden story about how they were the victim and didn't do anything wrong. Including, and with personal experience, the ones who who go to the media. In other words don't trust a newspaper story about a story a fired person is telling them.



-Mental illness is one cause that awareness in and of itself is a worthy goal. Most physical illnesses or injuries get lots of compassion and understanding already, mental illness often doesn't. That's why awareness in this case is a legitimate goal, even if they weren't actually directly funding mental health research and support. Which they do.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

What is going on in here?

I think it was a pissing match, or as I now like to call them, "Trump Love-Ins".

[Dion]

We haven't heard Bell's side of the story so i'm a bit reluctant to pass judgement on what happened.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Dion

We haven't heard Bell's side of the story so i'm a bit reluctant to pass judgement on what happened.

Doubtful that Bell will comment.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Doubtful that Bell will comment.

They have. From the article in the OP (and with a very proper response, imo)

Matthew Garrow, a spokesperson for Bell Media, said in a statement that the company does not comment on specific employee matters. "But we have reached out to Ms. McLean to discuss the situation further and ensure all appropriate procedures were followed in her case," she said.
McLean said Tuesday that Bell Media did call her and sent her an email about 15 minutes after the company responded to CBC News.
On Wednesday, Garrow reiterated a tweet from Bell Media that stated: "Bell's a clear leader in workplace mental health, and it is of course a a fundamental part of our human resources approach. And while we would not normally comment on specific employee issues, I can confirm Bell does not dismiss employees because of mental health issues, in this case or any other. When people make such claims after the fact, we always reach out and offer counselling and other support, and have done so here."

[Dion]

nm

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

What is going on in here?

A couple posters were on the "they're not actually doing anything/all these millions on corporate swag doesn't cure mental illness" train, then it was shown that Bell actually does an incredible amount of work for this event and mental health in general, and the "Bell Let's Talk" brand actually does get people talking.

They then dug their heals in a little as is always the case with internet arguments and we got to here.

[Wormius]

I meant, they won't comment on anything specific about why she was fired. So the speculation will just continue.