Rant Thread

[Coach]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Johnny has just been just as bad up front as Brodie has been on the back end but doesn't get nearly the same level of criticism.

In order of disappointments this season:

1. Brodie/Johnny (tie)
2. Elliott
3. Seanohan
4. Sam
5. Gio

Yup. And when those are your top 5 disappointments, your team is going to be no good. I'd probably add Brouwer to the list.

What a waste of great play from a good chunk of other players: Backlund, Tkachuk, Frolik, Hamilton, Johnson (mostly), Engellend, Stajan, Hathaway Versteeg. If those top players were at their best this team would be a machine.

[JiriHrdina]

He played 3 games.
Who cares.
It has zero relevance to the discussion at hand.

Gaudreau did produce last season. I also give that a big who cares.
He's being paid to produce NOW.

EDIT: That awkward thing where the post you are responding to is now on the previous page so your post makes no sense. That thing. That's what's happening here.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

How many of these stupid threads do we need?

Lots.

[Slanter]

I'm so disappointed in Gaudreau right now. To hold out and sign a big contract, you need to be sure you can deliver. I know I sure feel that when I get a promotion or something. Those are dollars that could be going to someone else, and before I take it I ask myself if I can deliver. He doesn't deserve that contract right now. He should be ashamed to be pulling in those dollars.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Yeah, I don't want the old school coach who think he's Al Swearingen. However, someone with some passion in his demeanor would go a long way right now.

I do want Al Swearengen as coach.

And Wu could probably be useful from time to time if required.

[wired]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sorry, how do you know these things?

The loud swearing coach has a pretty short lifespan. I would have liked to take a chance on Boudreau, but him swearing in the locker room is pretty damn low on the list of reasons why, perhaps last on the list.

Perhaps the fact that he has tenure in the NHL would be a reason. GG seems to have lost the team, they don't seem to respond.
Almost like Iggy is back , and they are playing to get the coach canned.
Gio needs to lose the C asap, he is so not effective.

[wired]

I have said it before, Johnny needs to sit at least 1 game, perhaps Monahan as well. Let those two eat popcorn and ponder the universe of giving a ####.
Also, this team needs to wake the hell up, and support each other.
Sticking up for a team mate will go very far in both the locker room and on the ice.
Never punish a player for doing that (cue Chaisson(sp). Makes players unwilling to stick up for one another.
ATM, I will bet you, every team in the NHL is hoping to play the Flames, as they are an easy 2 points.
I, am hoping that the Flames lose 3 more games, without scoring, so GG gets jetted so far from this team. I feel that's what it will take for management to pull the plug on mister emotionless.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Dion

It has nothing to do with coaching. Players have to motivate themselves and find ways to overcome the obstacles facing them.

Nothing to do with coaching huh? What a farce. Well then Toronto should've just saved themselves millions of dollars, passed on Babcock and hired Dallas Eakins. I'm sure he'd be getting the same results.

The coach absolutely has a bearing on how the players play. First there's the system they implement can either help or hinder. Hartley's wide open, stretch pass system produced offense but left the D and goalie hung out to dry. It's obvious Gulutzan's system is stifling our best offensive players. Second there's the player line ups. Prime Hudler >>>>> prime Chaisson. Gulutzan's refusal to kick Chaisson out of the top 6 is beyond puzzling. Third, the coach is the guy who's supposed to set an example and be a leader. Gulutzan couldn't be more sedate and is obviously a poor motivator.

[Beninho]

I swear to god if we end up as a middle team after this rebuild imma be so ####ing pissed. My whole life this team has been average or just below average. If we are gonna suck just ####ing suck the whole year now. If we continue this trend for another 2 weeks then somehow start winning games I'll be furious. Get the draft pick, see what you get from veteran players at the deadline( yes I would take calls on Gio and Frolik) and keep building because this teams core currently is not good enough. Let's all face the facts, management did a half ass rebuild job, tried to convince fans we were there and they aren't. If we pick 7-14 we will pick 7-14 next year you can bet on that. Start the ####ing tank and get rid of these "team guys" who just ####ing suck at hockey. Denis Wideman and Stajan making a combined 9 mill this year ####ing makes my head hurt. My head is actually ####ing hurting right now. Bouma is good for 1 game and just doesn't do anything for the next 10. Johnny, Mony, Bennett, Brodie. This is your team, sink or ####ing swim. Gio, be a captain or take your C off your chest. That Komarov #### was ####ig embarrassing and makes me crave for a captain like Iggy who would never stand for this weak Sedin like softness. Embarrassing. Done

[Manhattanboy]

Oy Vey.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Nothing to do with coaching huh? What a farce. Well then Toronto should've just saved themselves millions of dollars, passed on Babcock and hired Dallas Eakins. I'm sure he'd be getting the same results.

The coach absolutely has a bearing on how the players play. First there's the system they implement can either help or hinder. Hartley's wide open, stretch pass system produced offense but left the D and goalie hung out to dry. It's obvious Gulutzan's system is stifling our best offensive players. Second there's the player line ups. Prime Hudler >>>>> prime Chaisson. Gulutzan's refusal to kick Chaisson out of the top 6 is beyond puzzling. Third, the coach is the guy who's supposed to set an example and be a leader. Gulutzan couldn't be more sedate and is obviously a poor motivator.

The coach can only do so much before the responsibilty lies with the players. He can have the greatest system and such but if your star players are not producing to their capabilities you can't just blame the coach.

The numerous mental gafs we've seen recently from our forwads and defence are not a system related problem. Gio and others have admitted to the fact in post game comments that the blame is on them.

The system does work and we've seen at times during the season.

The problem as I see it is that we have a lack of skill upfront and more importantly a couple of talented RWers to play on the top 2 lines. Then there's the lack of a solid #4 d man to play on the second pairing. Gully is trying to do the best he can with the talent he has.

[Bourque's Twin]

I wonder if Brouwer has broken a sweat in the last few games

[burn_baby_burn]

At the start of the year things didn't look good. It was hard to wonder how much of it had to do with the new coach and a new system. But they turned things around and looked like a pretty good team. Looked to me like they finally had figured out the new system and everything was firing along nicely, especially the special teams. Now they look like they did to start the year off.

Can we blame it all on the coach? When the team was playing well, the top players were contributing it looked like GG was a great hire. The season isn't lost yet, but if they can't get out of this funk it soon will be. What can possible be the issue with these guys?

[northcrunk]

The system worked for a few games. It doesn't WORK. Teams have it figured out and they need to pivot. GG is too stubborn and is just like Dallas Eakins. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room so he doesn't have to change anything. Pathetic. Fire his ass.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

The system worked for a few games. It doesn't WORK. Teams have it figured out and they need to pivot. GG is too stubborn and is just like Dallas Eakins. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room so he doesn't have to change anything. Pathetic. Fire his ass.

This is wrong. Gulutzen is awful at player selection. The system isn't causing Jokipakka to leave his man open or Johnny to gift a SH breakaway or Johnson to whiff on pucks. The system can only put players in the right spots and They have to execute. If the system was the problem, the flames wouldn't have outshot and outchanced every opponent during this slide. Gulutzen's system doesn't tell Johnny to bobble the puck in tight or Bennett to take bad penalties. It doesn't cause the goalies to have sub 0.800 save percentages. It doesn't make Chaisson miss the net on open cages on glorious 2 on 1 chances.

I hate that Gulutzen puts our higher producing pp unit on half as much as the lower producing one. I hate that Hamilton gets 5 minutes a night (6 minutes at 5v5) less that Wideman. I hate that Johnny plus Chaisson is a thing.

But to put it on a system that had actually worked is silly

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I swear to god if we end up as a middle team after this rebuild imma be so ####ing pissed. My whole life this team has been average or just below average. If we are gonna suck just ####ing suck the whole year now. If we continue this trend for another 2 weeks then somehow start winning games I'll be furious. Get the draft pick, see what you get from veteran players at the deadline( yes I would take calls on Gio and Frolik) and keep building because this teams core currently is not good enough. Let's all face the facts, management did a half ass rebuild job, tried to convince fans we were there and they aren't. If we pick 7-14 we will pick 7-14 next year you can bet on that. Start the ####ing tank and get rid of these "team guys" who just ####ing suck at hockey. Denis Wideman and Stajan making a combined 9 mill this year ####ing makes my head hurt. My head is actually ####ing hurting right now. Bouma is good for 1 game and just doesn't do anything for the next 10. Johnny, Mony, Bennett, Brodie. This is your team, sink or ####ing swim. Gio, be a captain or take your C off your chest. That Komarov #### was ####ig embarrassing and makes me crave for a captain like Iggy who would never stand for this weak Sedin like softness. Embarrassing. Done

I've got some bad news for you. We're way more likely to end up as a middling team than a top tier team. We didn't land the franchise talent like other lucky teams did and we're having a lot of stalls in our prospect base.

It's best to start mentally preparing now.

[northcrunk]

It's pretty hard to get anything going when you try the same breakout over and over. I can't stand it. All other teams need to do is line up at the blue line and wait for that god damn drop pass to Johnny.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Nothing to do with coaching huh? What a farce. Well then Toronto should've just saved themselves millions of dollars, passed on Babcock and hired Dallas Eakins. I'm sure he'd be getting the same results.

The coach absolutely has a bearing on how the players play. First there's the system they implement can either help or hinder. Hartley's wide open, stretch pass system produced offense but left the D and goalie hung out to dry. It's obvious Gulutzan's system is stifling our best offensive players. Second there's the player line ups. Prime Hudler >>>>> prime Chaisson. Gulutzan's refusal to kick Chaisson out of the top 6 is beyond puzzling. Third, the coach is the guy who's supposed to set an example and be a leader. Gulutzan couldn't be more sedate and is obviously a poor motivator.

Babcock has a goaltender that stops pucks and young stars that are producing.
He was after all, as he said earlier this season, the worst coach in the league last year, right?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

This is wrong. Gulutzen is awful at player selection. The system isn't causing Jokipakka to leave his man open or Johnny to gift a SH breakaway or Johnson to whiff on pucks. The system can only put players in the right spots and They have to execute. If the system was the problem, the flames wouldn't have outshot and outchanced every opponent during this slide. Gulutzen's system doesn't tell Johnny to bobble the puck in tight or Bennett to take bad penalties. It doesn't cause the goalies to have sub 0.800 save percentages. It doesn't make Chaisson miss the net on open cages on glorious 2 on 1 chances.

I hate that Gulutzen puts our higher producing pp unit on half as much as the lower producing one. I hate that Hamilton gets 5 minutes a night (6 minutes at 5v5) less that Wideman. I hate that Johnny plus Chaisson is a thing.

But to put it on a system that had actually worked is silly

Perfectly stated.
The system is fine. It's essentially the same system as the Pens, Caps, etc. The same as Babcock's system. To blame the system isn't just silly, it exhibits a fundamental lack of understanding.
But that certainly doesn't exempt Gulutzan from the fire. I would add Brodie playing his off side to the list of strange (horrible) personnel decisions you noted above. He has failed miserably (and stubbornly) with those decisions.
This is only my opinion.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

It's pretty hard to get anything going when you try the same breakout over and over. I can't stand it. All other teams need to do is line up at the blue line and wait for that god damn drop pass to Johnny.

At the start of season it didn't work and looked pathetic. However, from Mid November to about two weeks ago it worked like a charm almost every time. Now it looks a lot like it did at the start of the year. Either teams have figured it out, or the players are not executing it like they should.