Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

If Brad wanted Boudreau and ownership didn't want to step up and pay him, then this team is doomed to mediocrity at absolute best.

If Brad didn't approach Boudreau, he is incompetent and needs to be replaced.

I really hope that Boudreau just wasn't interested.

I remember reading something about Boudreau wanting to stay in the US so hopefully that's all that was. If they truly didn't try to get him then that's a huge failure.

[Calgary4LIfe]

GMs live and die by their coaching hires. I thought that the clock started ticking when Treliving fired Hartley and hired Gulutzan's. I have always believed that the GM moves himself into the hotseat every time making that move.

With that said, I really don't think there is much to this story. For all we - and Friedman - knows, Flames just want to have the entire season added to figure out how much of a pay-bump to award Treliving. Maybe they do want to see who becomes available? Maybe the Flames wanted to re-sign Treliving already, but it is Treliving that is holding up for whatever reason.

Friedman sure sounded like it was pure speculation, and there are many plausible rationales as to why Treliving hasn't been extended yet.

Even if he doesn't, I will keep an open mind anyways. I didn't agree with Hartley being axed, but I did understand the rationale. If Treliving gets axed, I don't think that I would agree with it either, but at the end of the day, this is a results-based industry. There are a lot of posters on this board that are becoming apathetic to the Flames due to the level of entertainment that they are providing (along with other reasons), and if you couple that with JUST finishing out of the playoffs, it could very well make more fans become more apathetic. There seems to be seats available most games, and the Flames have been in a playoff spot for a long while. That alone will not sit well with any president or ownership group, and will at least shorten the proverbial rope.

[curves2000]

I am of the opinion we may be looking at a this a little too in depth until we know a little more. A lot of this is just being reported on and we may get some additional info and when the dust settles, it may make a little more sense. There are a variety of reasons for this stuff to come out. Here are some potential thoughts on my end with no real basis for anything other than opinion.

1) Brian Burke doesn't have a contract with the Flames from various articles and interviews I have read. It's more of an agreement in principle. With the potential rumors of him going to USA Hockey, that could leave a management void. We do know that Burke spends upwards of 10 days a month in Toronto for his young daughters and has other children in the Boston area. When Burke was hired, his daughter lived in Calgary. We the recent news of his father passing and the funeral services being in Florida, we can assume some additional family perhaps on the east coast. Lots of travel here and if he can get the USA Hockey gig, the travel would be easier and the taxes would be lower earning income in the US as a US resident. Let's not forget that Burke actually left his Duck's role as a GM to take the Toronto job in the fall of 2008, he wasn't fired. I can't recall but I doubt a manager has pulled that move ever since.

2) I do believe that Treleving's body of work has been good enough to earn additional time but if that isn't the case and ownership feels a change is warranted, don't we have a strong core of Assistant Managers such as Conroy and Pascal? The former GM of the Yotes as well.

Like I said, speculation but we will see what happens

[Erick Estrada]

Don't discount that the most popular man in the building, Craig Conroy is the GM in waiting for the Calgary Flames.

[Da_Chief]

Don't care for what great moves he's made.

The fact is he lucked into playoffs his first year and those players weren't his moves anyways.

Second year awful goaltending, awful team, missed the playoffs by a mile.

Third year awful goaltending, bad team, no heart, playing really bad and likely to miss the playoffs again.

They're getting worse. Not sure how anyone can justify bringing him or burke back. You can use his moves to say he's good but i'm sure any GM could've brought couple 2nd/3rd for guys like Glencross/Russell. Hamilton will be his hat to hang on but besides him what has he done? Overpay Brouwer? Overpay Frolik? Awful Elliott trade? Overpay Monahan? Draft Bennett? Hiller signing?

He's got a long list of bad moves. Find a GM with some decent track record, no more of this we're smarter then everyone else type of moves.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The dubious thing about the Gulutzan hire is Treliving hardly interviewed anyone. He had loads of time, but didn't cast a wide net. Just went with a guy who interviews well and gives really impressive powerpoint presentations.

It was actually the opposite. Surprised you think that.

IIRC Treliving did an exhaustive search, lots of interviews with lots of candidates. Gulutzen even interviewed multiple times having to go on a hike with Conroy for crying out loud.

Distinctly remember it being the polar opposite of Treliving's hire, which Burke said was his one and only interview.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Small snippet hiring process. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/w...-canucks-hire/

Gulutzan was not the only candidate considered — far from it.

Randy Carlyle, who scored the Anaheim Ducks gig, Washington assistant Todd Reirden, Chicago assistant Kevin Dineen, and St. Louis incumbent Mike Yeo are just a few of the names that were linked to the Flames during their calculated search for a new bench bos

[Erick Estrada]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that Treliving interviewed more candidates than Feaster did when he hired Hartley. Travis Green had multiple interviews as well. For all the paranoia here about the possibility of Carlyle becoming the coach he's actually doing a good job in Anaheim.

[Vinny01]

I k ow the way the Flames are playing now make the playoffs seem u likely (even though they somehow cling to a spot). If the team is able to make it this year I can't see how Treliving is not brought back. How can you let a GM go that has got a team to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years when the job he took over was considered year 2 of a full rebuild?

[kermitology]

Answering the poll, he's done a good job, but I think his coaching decision hasn't been that good.

I think that the goaltending has been a miss, but that wasn't a certainty when the moves were made.

[GordonBlue]

the goaltending this year does fall on him.
you can't give the guy a pass because a move should have worked out.
he gets judged by results, and his calculated gamble with the goalies this year hasn't quite gone as hoped. (other than a hot streak which a surprising amount of people thought was sustainable)

[PlayfulGenius]

I voted 'yes'... BUT, I'm not sure why people are giving him a pass on Elliott... he's never been a great G, nor ever considered a good #1, especially in the playoffs ...

...evidence suggests he was close to a deal with TBL for Bishop, then took a cheaper deal for Elliott... choosing better 'value' over getting the better G.

Now, there's 2 obvious counterpoints here...

1. I don't know this is actually how it went down
2. Even if correct, I don't know what TBL was expecting for Bishop, so it's hard to say BT made the wrong call.

However, I don't see how BT gets a pass on this, as no one has ever confused Elliott for a top tier G... people love to mention his save %, but that had a lot to do with the STL D depth and style of game, which was arguably the best defensively in the NHL.

[Robbob]

I was only half listening, but during the intermission did they not discuss this. I thought that they mentioned that they reached out to Ken King and mentioned that contract negotiations are ongoing. Surprised that update wasn't posted.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I was only half listening, but during the intermission did they not discuss this. I thought that they mentioned that they reached out to Ken King and mentioned that contract negotiations are ongoing. Surprised that update wasn't posted.

Yes, Millions and Shannon were discussing this. John Shannon stated that he had spoken with Ken King and that there had been some discussion, and that (more or less) Treliving likes the Flames' brass, and that the Flames' brass likes him.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Yes, Millions and Shannon were discussing this. John Shannon stated that he had spoken with Ken King and that there had been some discussion, and that (more or less) Treliving likes the Flames' brass, and that the Flames' brass likes him.

Sounds like PR spin to me.

[Toonage]

Friedman vs. Shannon?

Friedman. Especially if its Shannon talking to King.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

the goaltending this year does fall on him.
you can't give the guy a pass because a move should have worked out.
he gets judged by results, and his calculated gamble with the goalies this year hasn't quite gone as hoped. (other than a hot streak which a surprising amount of people thought was sustainable)

Sure you can. Why is it his fault that he traded for one of the best goalies in the league last year and that player lays an egg? It's not like he went out and traded for Niemi or something.

[CliffFletcher]

We may need to start considering that one of the reasons goalies suck so hard when they come to Calgary is the Flames have poor team defence.

[bob-loblaw]

I haven't read a good portion of this thread, but maybe Burke leaves, Treliving moves up to his role, and Conroy moves up to GM. Boom!

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by codynw

Sure you can. Why is it his fault that he traded for one of the best goalies in the league last year and that player lays an egg? It's not like he went out and traded for Niemi or something.

same reason the oilers don't get a pass on scrivens.

looks like the GM didn't take into account the team he played in front of or the team he was going to. goalies don't exist in a vacuum.

and it's debatable he was one of the bets goalies in the league last year, anyway, when the go to argument for that was "but look at his save percentage"