American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[troutman]

Finally a journalist to cut through the alternative facts!

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[Fuzz]

So now that Trump is President, is he going to "lock her up"? He seemed pretty determined before the election.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GGG

It will be interesting to see what he does at the boarder as it will be a sign that his rip up Nafta is about 1st world protectionism as opposed to general protectionism. If it's first world protectionism Canada will actually prosper under a Trump government.

Doubtful. Already looking at tariffs on all our other exports.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by New Era

I love short term solutions for long term problems.

Please explain.

[burn_this_city]

I've seen no evidence they are contemplating tariffs on anything from Canada. Everything related to our trade relationship seems fairly dovish considering the rhetoric directed at Mexico and China.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So now that Trump is President, is he going to "lock her up"? He seemed pretty determined before the election.

No, in his 60 Minutes interview, given right after the election, he basically just admitted it was a lie. I'm paraphrasing, but what he said was: "I won so I don't care anymore"

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Trump supporters and Republicans in general don't think in long term problems or solutions.

Nor do Democrats.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Please explain.

Well a lot of what they will do is transfer things to a state level which will (for some reason) get people excited that something is being done! The state is closer to my needs etc.

However, what will happen is that there only a few states that actually have the wherewithal to deliver what will be expected by the populace. In the end you will get a much larger discrepancy between have and have not states. That will start to become evident somewhere around re-election time.

[ResAlien]

I don't think Donnie understands the opposition from his own people regarding Keystone. This move was mostly meaningless and largely symbolic but will play well with the rubes for now.

He wants the US government to get 25% of the profits? Sure let's do that. Or we could just nationalize it, that usually turns out well.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...pelines-234095

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

Nor do Democrats.

and that's why alternate energy sources and environment was big with Obama, and climate change denial and eliminating regulations for O & G, mining etc is big with Trump.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Please explain.

Energy is a long term problem. A pipeline is a very short term solution. This is not about addressing needs, it is about short term profiteering. An executive order to push through a pipeline is not about future policy, it is about paying those who supported you. Pretty straight forward to me.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by New Era

Energy is a long term problem. A pipeline is a very short term solution. This is not about addressing needs, it is about short term profiteering. An executive order to push through a pipeline is not about future policy, it is about paying those who supported you. Pretty straight forward to me.

A pipeline can operate for 100 years, how is that short term?

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

A pipeline can operate for 100 years, how is that short term?

It's short term in enviro-hippy-speak.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

It's short term in hippy-speak.

no, that's completely missing the point, in hippy speak.

[Flamenspiel]

Even the Feds and Nenshi are chiming in(cbc.ca):

"I'm now a Toronto MP but I'm an Albertan," Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said of the president's executive order. "As an Albertan, it's a great decision for Canada and Alberta. The province needs jobs."

From Nenshi:

"I fundamentally believe the decision to deny that pipeline was one the biggest domestic policy errors of the previous administration," he said. "It is important for Canadian energy to have access to global markets; it's important for the prosperity of our nation for that to happen."

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

no, that's completely missing the point, in hippy speak.

So far I see President Trump is reducing funding and removing regulations.

Bad couple days if you think that we need the government to save us from ourselves. Good if you think we need smaller government.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by New Era

Energy is a long term problem. A pipeline is a very short term solution. This is not about addressing needs, it is about short term profiteering. An executive order to push through a pipeline is not about future policy, it is about paying those who supported you. Pretty straight forward to me.

Its a short term solution that reduces/eliminates energy reliance on Middle East sources which will allow much more flexibility for US foreign policy. It does not address climate change but it is a long term solution for US energy independence.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Even the Feds and Nenshi are chiming in(cbc.ca):

"I'm now a Toronto MP but I'm an Albertan," Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said of the president's executive order. "As an Albertan, it's a great decision for Canada and Alberta. The province needs jobs."

From Nenshi:

"I fundamentally believe the decision to deny that pipeline was one the biggest domestic policy errors of the previous administration," he said. "It is important for Canadian energy to have access to global markets; it's important for the prosperity of our nation for that to happen."

So far everything President Trump has done has been positive for Canada, and specifically Alberta.

[Clarkey]

Trump has done more for Canada in one day than O'Bama did in 8 years!

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by GGG

Its a short term solution that reduces/eliminates energy reliance on Middle East sources which will allow much more flexibility for US foreign policy. It does not address climate change but it is a long term solution for US energy independence.

I can't wait for oil to be below $20 bbl