And all of this accomplished what? If your answer was nothing you are right then.
" attempted" fight and no push back later on.
I am sure Komorov learned his his lesson. 10 % sure in fact.
And what would constantly going after him have accomplished? The point wasn't how good the fight was, the point was they stood up for him. They don't need to start taking guys head off every whistle or taking liberties on their young guys as was suggested multiple times in the GT.
Komorov hit him, dropped his gloves and owned up to it. Time to move on. It's like some people won't be satisfied until Gulutzan goes Jim Playfair on a ref.
Tkachuk by the sounds of it is a big cheapshot artist. Plus it probably has to do with the fact that the game was over and he has a history of being a slimeball, so maybe they are going to discipline a little (doubt it).
Oh and yes biggest band wagon fans in all sports. Without all of those cups they've won recently and playoff success I'm sure they wouldn't have the fan support they have. The Leafs have been bad for so long but the fans stick with them.
So you don't know and just assumes he is . after thia statement any thing you saybis meaningless as you dont really know . all you know is whatvyoir told like a aimless sheep.
And what would constantly going after him have accomplished? The point wasn't how good the fight was, the point was they stood up for him. They don't need to start taking guys head off every whistle or taking liberties on their young guys as was suggested multiple times in the GT.
Komorov hit him, dropped his gloves and owned up to it. Time to move on. It's like some people won't be satisfied until Gulutzan goes Jim Playfair on a ref.
You go after him where he actually regrets it or you keep hitting mattews or marner with clean hard hits .
Yoi wanna run a star on our team we will return the favor.
All the other teams do it but the Flames are soft. Almost feaster soft.
The leafs didn't learn #### aince they kept trying to run him. Not to mention the multiple slashes afterwards on Versteeg.
Soft as room temperature butter with a warm knife are the flames.
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I like our slimeball. Better on the Flames than on the other team. I can understand the hate from the other side, but he's the only player taking a pound of flesh/tears when the team craps the bed like tonight, so I can't say I hate it. Just as long as he never becomes a biter like Burrows.
It sucks that teams feel they have to respond to a cheapshot against their star player with dirty plays themselves. But the NHL and the refs certainly don't care enough. Chiasson threw an elbow at Komarov later, but got hit with a penalty they scored on... didn't really send much of a message.
Or on the flip side, you get the Hathaway treatment after he tried to hit Ehlers 2 weeks ago. Thorburn went after him, then Chiarot came in after the whistle with this flying crosscheck to the throat.
It sucks that the team has to respond to a cheapshot against their star player with dirty plays themselves. But the NHL and the refs certainly don't care enough. Chiasson threw an elbow at Komarov later, and got hit with a penalty they scored on... didn't really send much of a message.
Or on the flip side, you get the Hathaway treatment after he tried to hit Ehlers 2 weeks ago. Thorburn went after him, then Chiarot came in after the whistle with this flying crosscheck to the throat.
No penalty by the way... I guess this is what teams are supposed to do in response?
That crosscheck to the neck and the hit by Komarov are nothing alike. One is a hockey play the other is insane.
I do like how after the Flame is crosschecked in the neck the other Flame behind him is like "HEY!!!, come on!" No anger at all. In a situation like that I think it would be okay to jump the crosschecker.
I've been trying to find a way to explain the attitude I want to see...the attitude of a winning team. I think I've finally got it: when the other team scores... when one of their players takes liberties... the team of winners respond with "f*** you!" The team of losers responds with "f*** me..."
In 2014-15, like in 03-04, the teams got mad, then got even. This year, almost every player just seems to say "f*** me" and gives up.
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That crosscheck to the neck and the hit by Komarov are nothing alike. One is a hockey play the other is insane.
I do like how after the Flame is crosschecked in the neck the other Flame behind him is like "HEY!!!, come on!" No anger at all. In a situation like that I think it would be okay to jump the crosschecker.
I didn't say they were.
I equated/compared the Chiasson elbow to Komarov's head to Chiarot's crosscheck here. Both dirty plays in response to a hit on a star player.
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The flames were freaking awful to watch when they were getting blown out early and often, were generating less shots than they have this season and were hemmed in their own zone for entire shifts.
Look familiar? A lot of what people see as hustle last year was Flames players chasing the puck around the ice as the other team completed passing plays up and down the ice.
Hartley's team ####ing sucked to watch, it was easily more frustrating than the hockey we're watching right now and some of the same people who think Gulutzan should be fired now thought Hartley should be fired then.
This team is having trouble scoring 5-5 because the team doesn't have the offensive talent to score and pass 5-5 and it was the exact same story last year and it will be the exact same story as long as the Flames are Dennis Wideman and Ladislav Smid and Lance Bouma the type of money that should be reserved for top end, productive players.
Repeated because truth is the first casualty and always gets overlooked.
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The team rarely looked as outclassed under Hartley as they have for most of this season. In Hartley years 2 (the first rebuild year) and 3 they were almost always in games, even when they were clearly a less talented roster. Last year in the beginning was the worst they were under Hartley, and his worst is no worse than what we have seen this year.
Not that I want to get too far into reminiscing about Hartley, but there is too much revisionist history there....he did a lot of good things. And if you are going to fire him so quickly then you had better make sure you are upgrading and not downgrading, which is what has evidently happened.
I don't want Treliving fired, but he screwed this up badly, and it needs to be fixed.
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This feels like last year all over again. Terrible start. Huge run in the second quarter to get back in the playoff picture then the wheels come off...
This is the time of year when the better teams up their game and the pretenders fall back.
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Every coach has a good side and a bad side. Hartley wad not perfect but he was a teacher and a father for that roster with personal leadership. His firing was a mistake.
GG has nothing to give to this team. Boring game and no character. Bad dressing room and no progress for players. Was at least 1 comeback this season? I don't remember.
After the hit, Johnny looked tentative (even more so than usual) and THAT is the problem. He needs to know someone has his back out there so he can do what he does. There was no response, and I don't mean go kill a dude. There was no increase in energy. The franchise player gets nailed, the captain does some Spinjitzu, and the team gave up. Why should I bother watching another game this year?
The best part of this night was the meal I had before at Amsterdam brew house, and catching up with an old friend who I don't see nearly enough.
The best way I can describe the flames tonight was it looked like they were just punching the time clock at the beginning and end of each shift. Brodie looked decent in person, but much like gaudreau or backlund carrying the puck into the offensive zone, he would get swarmed with no team mates in a position to support the puck and turn it over.
Defensively I thought they looked fine, not much you can do to defend the first goal, and Elliot was not great the rest of the way. Offensively they generated next to nothing, most shots were low quality scoring chances.
This team needs more jam in many areas of the game. The pushback for the hit on gaudreau was comical from gio going stars on ice during the fight (though at least he tried I guess) to chiasson leaping up and tapping komarov with his elbow (honestly if you're taking 2 minutes, at least get your money's worth)
If I had seasons tickets to this team and they went through the motions this much I would be pretty pissed off.
I honestly get PO'ed when people say "oh well, they're still in a playoff spot!" because that really doesn't matter...at all. The team has shown they're a lot better than this but now they just flat out don't care but because they played well in the past it's ok to just crap the bed now because it evens out? This team doesn't have close to enough skill and now they're showing no heart or push back to even be considered a threat for the playoffs. By some miracle if the Flames do make the playoffs, do you really think they'd be a match for any team? Are those 4 games they play supposed to be worth anything?
The team is bad and needs change...soon. You can say "change for the sake of change is never a good idea" but not changing anything and expecting something different is even worse IMO, it's just accepting failure and being ok with it.
I would look into getting rid of the coaching staff. All of them. GG just looks disinterested and Dave "the mortician" Cameron just stands around with his hands in his pockets. Siglet seems to be a goalie killer and it's like every goalie who comes here declines...it's not a coincidence anymore.
I would look at trading Gio, at this point I don't know if anyone would take him and if that's the case I would consider not protecting him (only if he can't be traded) because I think he's becoming to complacent and his contract is looking worse and worse as time goes on. I would not protect Brower, I would actually be surprised if LV took him.
None of this will happen though. The franchise will continue to say the right things and put up the rough and tough front and come up with some kind of excuses.
I said in the GDT that this was a hinge game IMO and I think it was. I just think the wheels started to fall off and it's going to be downhill from here.
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According to Sportsclubstats, Flames playoff chances are down to 32.3%. They had been hovering around 50% for a couple of months so there has been an appreciable drop in the past week.
For the remainder of the season, if they go:
17-12-3 they will probably make the playoffs (>50% probability)
19-10-3 they will definitely make the playoffs (>95% probability)
Losing six of seven against beatable teams in a two-week period (with a win over San Jose, somehow, in the midst of that) will do that. We were in a period of our schedule where we should have been making hay.
And Giordano saying that they weren't that bad tonight and just got some bad breaks.. that's hogwash, Mark. Show some intellectual honesty, you're the captain and if you sugar coat bad performances like this, and it was bad, then the players will start to have it ingrained in them that efforts like this are acceptable.
They aren't and it isn't.
you have to get caught up. it's no longer intellectual honesty.
Gio is just providing an alternate truth.
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