Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[Jaydee]

That Gio contract is going to anchor us for the next 6 years

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by gargamel

That's of of those "alternative facts" that's been repeated so many times that most people believe it. This is year 4 of the rebuild.

Semantics.

Treliving hasn't even been here for 3 of them, so i would suggest it is year 3 since it is his vision he is rebuilding the team in.

That means we have a very very small sample size of his draft prowess as well as limited info on his trades. His record in contract negotiation is still to play out as well since we are in year 1 of his 3 biggest deals.

Changing GM's is a huge deal in this game as it means a start over (of varying degrees) every time. Every guy who gets the opportunity to do so wants to at least get 5 years of picks to see who develops and who doesnt. Wants his own guy behind the bench for more than 50 games to see if that guys abilities translate to the group of guys he has....as well as his farm system and the hires of coaching made there... Etc Etc

[DazzlinDino]

I certainly hope they give BT another season. I think he has done a great job and hope ownership rethinks this and comes to their senses. There must be too many fingers in the oven which can't be a good thing.

What this organization needs is consistency not a bunch of management turnover.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I certainly hope they give BT another season. I think he has done a great job and hope ownership rethinks this and comes to their senses. There must be too many fingers in the oven which can't be a good thing.

What this organization needs is consistency not a bunch of management turnover.

I have found that even one finger in the oven is a bad thing.

[MisterJoji]

After tonight's debacle I hope no one has any grand delusions of playoffs anymore. This team is about as tough as wet toilet paper. It doesn't help when the goalie can't make a save to bail out the team once in awhile but after one goal the whole roster looks deflated and just gives up. Where's the drive, the passion, the team dynamic? They look exactly like their head coach: no emotion, disinterested and outclassed in every aspect. If Gulutzan isn't canned after the season, Treliving should go with him. What a monumental screwup this hire was. Monahan, Gaudreau, Giordano and Brodie have all taken huge steps back under this coach. If it wasn't for Johnson's incredible run, we'd be pushing for 1st overall. Just pitiful. Also, don't bring up the guys in the minors who are playing well and expose them to this disease. Let them grow and enjoy their success down there.

Treliving has a huge job to do this offseason (if he sticks around):

Fire Gulutzan and find an NHL quality coach, who brings in his own assistants. ALL of them.

Acquire a legit winger for the top line, NOT a Chaisson quality player. If this means trading Bennett, so be it.

Acquire a middle pairing defenceman.

Acquire a goaltender who doesn't let in a muffin at least once per game.

This is the about least amount of fun I've had watching this team in years and throw Edmonton's success so far makes me want to puke. At least we know we are definite sellers at the trade deadline. Versteeg, Ferland, Bouma, Wideman (fat chance), Engelland, hell maybe even Brouwer should be put on the trade block to see what kind of returns are out there. This team needs a soft reset and it starts with the head coach.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I certainly hope they give BT another season. I think he has done a great job and hope ownership rethinks this and comes to their senses. There must be too many fingers in the oven which can't be a good thing.

What this organization needs is consistency not a bunch of management turnover.

While I don't think he's done an outright terrible job, I don't know how you can say he has done a great job. For two consecutive years we've had goaltending issues and no one to play with Gaudreau. That is on him, and Gulutzan is looking like a terrible hire.

[Stay Golden]

Treliving has built a garbage team. He said he wanted the next HC to take the Flames to next level. Whatever his idiotic version of next level is because Gulutzan is one the absolute worst coaches this franchise has ever had.

[Joborule]

I vote no, but I wouldn't necessarily can him after 2.5 years since that's a brief amount of time. But I think getting rid of Hartley has done an incredible amount of harm since the team doesn't perform with much drive now.

Sure, statistical they may be better in some aspects, but it's not like the Flames look like a much better team out there. Especially since they debatably got better goaltending this season, which was the achilles last year. Hartley got something out of a weak cast.

So if the situation is his contract runs out this summer, I'm neutral in regards of keeping him. He hasn't had much time, but the question is do you have confidence that he will get the team to the next level?

[normtwofinger]

No. He hired Don Hay 2.0

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

While I don't think he's done an outright terrible job, I don't know how you can say he has done a great job. For two consecutive years we've had goaltending issues and no one to play with Gaudreau. That is on him, and Gulutzan is looking like a terrible hire.

He is not the first GM to hire a coach the couldn't get it right the first time. I like to think we have to look at his whole body of work and I think he has worked very hard for this organization. Unfortunately some teams are subject to a lot of micro management Pretty sure if given another shot at a coaching hire he would make the right call.

He is a smart GM and what we really need is some consistency at least at the management level. Are we going to let go of GM every that hits a bump in the road?

Lou Lamoriello has has had the benefit of consistency when he doesn't get it right the first time. I hope they give BT a lot more rope to continue add a foundation and some stability.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Semantics.

Treliving hasn't even been here for 3 of them, so i would suggest it is year 3 since it is his vision he is rebuilding the team in.

That means we have a very very small sample size of his draft prowess as well as limited info on his trades. His record in contract negotiation is still to play out as well since we are in year 1 of his 3 biggest deals.

Changing GM's is a huge deal in this game as it means a start over (of varying degrees) every time. Every guy who gets the opportunity to do so wants to at least get 5 years of picks to see who develops and who doesnt. Wants his own guy behind the bench for more than 50 games to see if that guys abilities translate to the group of guys he has....as well as his farm system and the hires of coaching made there... Etc Etc

By that logic shouldn't the flames have kept feaster in the first place? The oilers should have kept Mactavish?

I don't know if they'll get it right, but I think the flames can make an informed decision after three years.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Treliving is grossly over-rated. Made a good deal to get Hamilton and has lived off of that move.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

By that logic shouldn't the flames have kept feaster in the first place? The oilers should have kept Mactavish?

I don't know if they'll get it right, but I think the flames can make an informed decision after three years.

Based on the results that Feaster's team (plus Hiller) got in year 2 of the rebuild versus the results that Treliving's team is getting in year 4 of the rebuild, I'm not sure that would have been such a terrible idea.

[St. Pats]

Goaltending is such a huge part of the puzzle and he has absolutely got it wrong. Then his coaching hire is hmmmm. Took so long to get him in place as well which was weird considering it seems he was looking at nobody else for the position(if true).

The team was unprepared to start the season. Coaching hire, signings, injuries. Plus problem areas were only half addressed.

I don't seen a bozo like Feaster running the ship but at best he has been average. Why the hue and cry about moving on from an average GM?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Treliving has made some mistakes, but unless he's incapable of learning from those mistakes, letting him go would be a horrible move.

Arguably his greatest mistake was not pursuing Bruce Boudreau, who I believe had the best win% in the league over the last 10 years.

Will be very interesting to see what Treliving does when Claude Julien hits the market very shortly.

[killer_carlson]

I wonder if Ruff has a short leash in Dallas as well...

[zamler]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Uh, what?

He made it pretty clear people are chewing their arms off.

[Strange Brew]

Oilers and Leafs were extremely lucky in landing McDavid and Mathews. But they did go out and get the goaltender they needed.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

By that logic shouldn't the flames have kept feaster in the first place? The oilers should have kept Mactavish?

I don't know if they'll get it right, but I think the flames can make an informed decision after three years.

Yes. Exactly.

But they made the switch....and now they might be doing it again?

Nothing more than version 2 of the Oilers if so.

[flamesfan6]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Oilers and Leafs were extremely lucky in landing McDavid and Mathews. But they did go out and get the goaltender they needed.

yes, the leafs 'beat the odds' getting matthews.. you know having the highest % to get him... we all know it was extremely lucky