Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Just FYI, after the cup run, the Flames went on a year by year basis with Darryl Sutter as GM for a few years.

Maybe King will just go on a horseback ride with Treliving and get it done.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Just FYI, after the cup run, the Flames went on a year by year basis with Darryl Sutter as GM for a few years.

Wasn't that because they had an understanding that he could stay as long as he wanted?

[GranteedEV]

Tre is likely a part of the problem, but not the problem. As long as Burke is POHO any GM he brings in will continue to spin their wheels in perpetual mediocrity. His vision is dated and the rest of the leaue is gradually drifting towards a different wavelength while he keeps running his mouth about Brandon Bolligs and size and such while division opponenta skate the Flames out of the rink. I imagine Treliving's moves might even have been competent without Burke constantly pushing his vision although Tre is hardly absolved for that.

[Strange Brew]

Interesting synopsis and after reading that, I'd be surprised if he isn't back. Still, Friedman is hearing something
Treliving gets a lot of praise for his trades. The Hamilton trade was solid for sure. But IMO most of his trades have been auctions for draft picks, and I grade those differently as I just believe the degree of difficulty is much lower. Moving out a bad contract, or trading players that may be part of your core for something you need are where good GM's really earn their money. That and quality re-signings and shrewd UFA moves.

[Johnny Rotten]

Meddling, impatient ownership=disaster.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Interesting synopsis and after reading that, I'd be surprised if he isn't back. Still, Friedman is hearing something
Treliving gets a lot of praise for his trades. The Hamilton trade was solid for sure. But IMO most of his trades have been auctions for draft picks, and I grade those differently as I just believe the degree of difficulty is much lower. Moving out a bad contract, or trading players that may be part of your core for something you need are where good GM's really earn their money. That and quality re-signings and shrewd UFA moves.

After getting used to the latter years of Sutter and Feaster, knowing Treliving is in charge of making trades for the Flames is one of the few things keeping my sane.

[dino7c]

Its not Ken Kings fault our goalies can't stop a beach ball and many of our stars are having poor seasons

[direwolf]

Not bringing Treliving back would be a ridiculous and idiotic move. This current losing skid and dropping 4 to the Oilers is 100% on the players and coach. At the very least, Treliving should get a chance to hire a different coach. A good one this time.

Personally I think Brad has assembled a pretty damn good roster who are clearly underachieving. Yea, we're still weak at RW and we're missing a decent #4 D man, but I'd say the Flames have all the pieces necessary to be a successful team. For whatever reason, they're just not getting it done this year, and I think that falls mostly on the coaching staff and the systems.

[Demetric]

oops, misread the poll question and therefore answered incorrectly

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Not bringing Treliving back would be a ridiculous and idiotic move. This current losing skid and dropping 4 to the Oilers is 100% on the players and coach. At the very least, Treliving should get a chance to hire a different coach. A good one this time.

Personally I think Brad has assembled a pretty damn good roster who are clearly underachieving. Yea, we're still weak at RW and we're missing a decent #4 D man, but I'd say the Flames have all the pieces necessary to be a successful team. For whatever reason, they're just not getting it done this year, and I think that falls mostly on the coaching staff and the systems.

Also those holes can be blames on a lack of cap space - which has a lot to do with mostly bad decisions from before Treliving.

Stajan: $3.125M
Wideman: $5.250M
Smid: $3.50M

~$11M that could have went a long way to fixing our top 9 RW, and #4 d-man problems.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Tre is likely a part of the problem, but not the problem. As long as Burke is POHO any GM he brings in will continue to spin their wheels in perpetual mediocrity. His vision is dated and the rest of the leaue is gradually drifting towards a different wavelength while he keeps running his mouth about Brandon Bolligs and size and such while division opponenta skate the Flames out of the rink. I imagine Treliving's moves might even have been competent without Burke constantly pushing his vision although Tre is hardly absolved for that.

LOL

Burke has been meddling since day 1. He was instrumental in the Flames drafting under-sized forwards Mangipane and Phillips in the past 2 drafts.

Bollig cost this team a 3rd round pick that is the closest move I can think that is a Burke move. What other moves has Treliving made because of Burke?

The Flames got pushed around by the Ducks in 2015 and Johnny gets abused nightly with no retaliation. I would say this team is not big enough or nasty enough right now.

I am not worried about Burke unless he does go through and fire Treliving and replaces him with Nonis. If crap like that happens I want him gone as well.

Treliving has had 3 years to work with this team and I feel he deserves 5. His trades and drafts look good and his free agents are a mixed bag (Frolik, Engellend, Johnson, Versteeg good, Brouwer, Raymond, Setoguchi bad)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

LOL. Only if you want to use it to reinforce preconceived notions of ownership meddling.

Frankly though, I find the whole contract thing idiotic. Most players don't act like whiny losers when they don't get an early extension, why would it be ok for coaches/GMs?

We don't even know if Treliving is upset about it. The whole interview was predicated on a source outside the organization thinking it is weird the way the Flames have not signed/fired him yet.

His source could be Peter Chiarelli. Or Wisebrod. Or Feaster. Would anyone give a crap if that's who was saying it is weird of the Flames to operate this way?

I find it hard to believe that the Flames haven't talked to Tre about this. You really think he has no idea what his mandate is? Maybe they sat him down 6 months ago and said they wouldn't talk extension during the season and he was totally fine with it. Why do we care if someone outside the organization is making a stink about it?

Oh come on. Gaudreau didn't have a contract last summer and it was the most important piece of Flames news for like 5 months. Treliving going into the offseason without a contract is like letting a big name UFA go to free agency just because, except, it's probably even worse, because this particular UFA is in charge of the entire roster.

Like Friedman says, NO ONE ELSE DOES THIS, why do the Flames think this is a good idea?

Friedman confirms that there is an organizational hesitancy to be 'sellers' at the deadline, a problem which has plagued this organization going back to before Feaster. It's just fundamentally wrong headed and probably a significant reason the only constant for the Flames organization for the last 25 years has been incompetence.

[chummer]

Small sample size but over 90% on here think he's done a good job.

It would be a PR disaster if the Flames let Treliving go.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm torn with ownership. On one hand I am grateful that they kept the team in Calgary over the lean years and that they spend to the salary cap rather than pinch pennies like Winnipeg and Ottawa. On the other hand there's ample evidence to support that they are in fact heavily involved with hockey operations which is a nice way of saying meddling and that's just bad. I imagine their pitch to any GM prospect in their hiring process is; "we will provide you with all the resources you require and spend to the salary cap ceiling but we do expect to see results". It very well could be that any candidate accepting the job of running the Flames has to accept that if they don't get results in a few years that they are at risk of termination.

As a long time Raiders fan I know very well how things can be with an overly involved owner and while things aren't that bad in Calgary it's something that only changed when Al passed and his son took over. When Mark Davis took over the Raiders he was asked if he would be as hands on as his father and he said; "I'm smart enough to know what I don't know" and he hired a competent football man to run his team and finally the team is back in the playoff picture after 14 years. That simply doesn't happen if the owner was meddling. I don't doubt that Murray Edwards is a brilliant business mind but I would hope that he realizes that he didn't make his fortune running a hockey team and that the successful organizations are those that trust in the people they hire to make the right decisions.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

If anybody wants an opinion piece on the Flames written by an Oilers fan, here is Sportsnet's article today: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...ading-toronto/

I think the words "Edmonton" and "Oilers" and mentioned more than the words "Calgary" and "Flames"

Just pure unadulterated garbage

I would imagine those four or six months where he had to try to be somewhat complimentary to the Flames so as to try and avoid destroying half the market for his book must have been excruciating for Spector. A book on the BOA written by an unabashed Oilers fanboy is not terribly appealing to anyone but other Oilers fanboys.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Also those holes can be blames on a lack of cap space - which has a lot to do with mostly bad decisions from before Treliving.

Stajan: $3.125M
Wideman: $5.250M
Smid: $3.50M

~$11M that could have went a long way to fixing our top 9 RW, and #4 d-man problems.

Stajan at 3.1 isn't that bad, it's maybe, what, 1-1.5 in wasted cap space? Smid doesn't affect the cap as he's on LTIR. However, in his place, there is Derek Engelland.

Honestly, Wideman is the only real albatross, and he's almost gone, as is DE. The Flames' cap is fine.

[MisterJoji]

He has more good than bad on his resume, but firing Hartley/hiring Gulutzan is a huge blemish. I still think he's still earned another year to sort out the coaching (get an established guy who wants to bring in his own assistants, i.e. bye Sigalet), goaltending and acquiring another winger for Johnny/Mony. He's on the hot seat though, no question.

[Toonage]

Not rushing to defend Spector, but on Twitter at least he defends Flames players from dumb Oiler fan criticism.

[Flash Walken]

I wonder if Treliving is the source of this leak to apply pressure to the Flames to come to the table with a contract offer and if not, other teams around the league know he could be available this offseason.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Stajan at 3.1 isn't that bad, it's maybe, what, 1-1.5 in wasted cap space? Smid doesn't affect the cap as he's on LTIR. However, in his place, there is Derek Engelland.

Honestly, Wideman is the only real albatross, and he's almost gone, as is DE. The Flames' cap is fine.

Overall I agree that it's not that bad but in regards to that previous posters comment on our top 9 RW and our #4 d-man issues, the wasted cap space does play a role.

Wideman's $5.25M makes it very hard to sign a top 4 d-man when you already have Brodie, Gio, and Hamilton taking up your top 3 spots.

Stajan's $3.1M to be a 4th line center (+ the uncertainty around Smid) likely means you rely more on a guy like Chiasson in your top 9.

IMO Smid does matter in the off-season when they weren't 100% sure he could go on LTIR and you have to plan for the year.