PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Your comment specifically called out legislators knowing full well there is a plethora of other reasons why a male elected representative would propose banning abortion. Again you continue to try to apply simplistic reasoning to a complex issue, failing to understand that there can be a multitude of reasons why a certain action takes place.

Considering we are in a thread discussing American politics, I didn't have to reach very far for my example.

Well I'm glad you're able to read my thoughts for me. Can you please tell me what I'm making for dinner tonight?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Guy gets asked a question.

Guy answers question.

Guy gets attacked by people who did not ask the question for answering said question because said people dislike the answer. Actual answer is not touched though, just ad hominem attacks.

You and Pepsi are ridiculous.

Maybe I'm wrong, but lamenting the rollback of "human rights directly affecting women" (to avoid critique) didn't seem like it had a question in it. It certainly didn't require a semantics lecture on human rights and the problem with identity politics.

I don't think it's ridiculous to feel it's "utterly ####ing depressing" to see someone look at the sentence "women's right are being restricted thanks to legislation outlawing abortion" and think the term "women's rights" is the most egregious part of the sentence.

Personally, I don't care if you call it women's rights or human rights, or how you feel about identity politics because it just does not matter. This election cycle has given rise the restriction of the rights of women to decide whether an abortion is right for them or not. That is a huge problem.

[photon]

Trump wants the military on display during the inaugural parade... You can't make this stuff up.

The military “may come marching down Pennsylvania Avenue,” Trump told the Washington Post in an interview published Wednesday. “That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, D.C., for parades. I mean, we’re going to be showing our military.”

Trump spoke about his vision of military parades in vague terms, suggesting it was something he might oversee in the future. But according to several sources involved in his inaugural preparations, Trump has endeavored to ensure that his first day as commander-in-chief is marked by an unusual display of heavy military equipment.

During the preparation for Friday’s transfer-of-power, a member of Trump’s transition team floated the idea of including tanks and missile launchers in the inaugural parade, a source involved in inaugural planning told The Huffington Post.

...

The Pentagon didn’t reject all of Trump’s ideas. At the request of the president-elect, there are five military flyovers ― one for each branch of the armed services ― planned for Friday’s inaugural parade, Pentagon spokesman Maj. Jamie Davis told HuffPost.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b096b4a23091f7

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe I'm wrong, but lamenting the rollback of "human rights directly affecting women" (to avoid critique) didn't seem like it had a question in it.

I don't think it's ridiculous to feel it's "utterly ####ing depressing" to see someone look at the sentence "women's right are being restricted thanks to legislation outlawing abortion" and think the term "women's rights" is the most egregious part of the sentence.

Personally, I don't care if you call it women's rights or human rights, or how you feel about identity politics because it just does not matter. This election cycle has given rise the restriction of the rights of women to decide whether an abortion is right for them or not. That is a huge problem.

Not just abortion but Family Planning and women's health in general, which has implications of life and death on women in the united states, and, you probably guessed it, Black women are overly represented. In texas, black women represent 11% of pregnancies seen in hospitals but are 29% of the mortality rate for expectant and delivery mothers.

The rate at which women die during pregnancy or shortly after childbirth has fallen sharply in many nations as maternal care has improved. The United States — and particularly Texas — is a glaring exception.

In Texas, for instance, according to a study in the journal Obstetrics & Gynecology, the maternal mortality ratio — maternal deaths per 100,000 live births — doubled to 35.8 in 2014 from 17.7 in 2000. Compare that with Germany, which had 4.1 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2014.

In California, that figure fell from 21.5 in 2003 to 15.1 in 2014, but in the remaining 48 states and the District of Columbia it increased from 18.8 in 2000 to 23.8 in 2014. The United States as a whole had the second-highest maternal mortality ratio among 31 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Only Mexico had a higher figure.

It’s certainly ironic that Texas legislators claimed to be closing clinics to protect women’s health while ignoring the real public-health crisis of mounting maternal mortality. But the full story is more complex—and even sadder. “The closure of abortion clinics isn’t related to this reported increase in maternal mortality, which predated it by two years,” said Daniel Grossman, a professor of reproductive sciences at the University of California, San Francisco, when we discussed the issue. He’s also the director of Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health and an investigator for the Texas Policy Evaluation Project. “The family-planning cuts may have been a contributing factor,” Grossman continued—a second study, released in July by the Texas Maternal Mortality and Morbidity Task Force and Department of State Health Services, suggests that they were—“but there had to be something else going on.” One is the opioid epidemic: Overdosing is the second-biggest cause of maternal mortality in Texas. Another is racism: In Texas, the maternal-mortality rate for white women is in step with their pregnancy rate; for Hispanic women, it’s actually lower. But black women are 11.4 percent of all pregnant women in the state and a whopping 29 percent of those who die.

Before I started working on this column, I pictured maternal mortality as death during pregnancy or childbirth. In fact, the statistics include every form of death except non-pregnancy-related cancer and accidents for up to a year after the pregnancy’s end. (This would include deaths from abortion, but despite the concerns of Texas politicians, there seem to have been none of these.) Most Texas women who died post-pregnancy didn’t do so in the delivery room, but six weeks or more after childbirth. The three top causes: cardiac events, drug overdoses, and hypertension.

Some of the women who died may have gotten pregnant because their family-planning clinic closed, and a few may have died because they stayed pregnant when denied access to an abortion. But as all the experts I interviewed stressed, we don’t know enough to state that for sure. We do know that most of them died because they were low-income women who lacked good medical care. A lot of them were on Medicaid—and in Texas, that means extreme poverty: Texas is one of 19 states that have refused to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. If the women were eligible for the state’s emergency Medicaid program, their coverage ended 60 days after the birth. Help with drug abuse is scarce, as is mental-health care (suicide was the seventh leading cause of maternal mortality). “Women need pre-conception care and continuity of care,” said Katrina Anderson, an attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights. “What they get is the opposite.”

Joe Potter, principal investigator at the Texas Policy Evaluation Project, said that while we don’t have enough data to explain the deaths yet, “the report is a wake-up call. Cutting the budget to grind these clinics to a close did considerable damage to the women’s health-care safety net.”

So is Texas woke now? Hardly. Even its mammoth loss in the Supreme Court, which overturned the state’s severe restrictions on abortion access, seems to have had little effect. Texas has just given $1.6 million in women’s health-care funding to Carol Everett, an anti-abortion activist who runs a chain of “crisis pregnancy centers.” Neither Everett nor her organization, the Heidi Group, has any experience providing medical services. Media Matters has compiled a long list of her wacky views, including that abortions are frequently performed on women who are not pregnant; that the disposal of fetal tissue could spread HIV or Ebola through the air or water supply; that abortion clinics routinely give women defective birth control to create more business; and that emergency contraception is “destructive to a woman’s reproductive system” and “a social experiment on children.”

[driveway]

Trump is having a Taiwanese delegation at the inauguration. If I had any confidence there was a long-term strategy other than "irritate Beijing" I would be overjoyed by this. As it is, I'm seriously worried this idiot is going to start a war.

Also - for the record - were China to invade Taiwan, I'd fight if they let me.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by driveway

Trump is having a Taiwanese delegation at the inauguration. If I had any confidence there was a long-term strategy other than "irritate Beijing" I would be overjoyed by this. As it is, I'm seriously worried this idiot is going to start a war.

Also - for the record - were China to invade Taiwan, I'd fight if they let me.

I'd fight for the chinese as well.

[wittynickname]

I think enough has been said with regards to the semantics debate, and more eloquently (and also far more amusingly) than I can manage, so I'm going to leave it at that.

However, there's this report from today, with even more fun things to look forward to in our future.

The Heritage Foundation blueprint also calls for cuts to the Justice Department’s Office on Violence Against Women grant program and the Legal Services Corporation. The Office on Violence Against Women grants include funding to provide services to sexual assault victims; for tribal governments; and legal assistance for victims of stalking, sexual assault and domestic and dating violence.

Beyond that, some other deep cuts proposed to arts and humanities grant programs, cuts to clean energy programs, etc.

The departments of Commerce and Energy would see major reductions in funding, with programs under their jurisdiction either being eliminated or transferred to other agencies. The departments of Transportation, Justice and State would see significant cuts and program eliminations.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatized, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump...et-cuts-544710

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/31...-dramatic-cuts

[opendoor]

Got to pay for millionaires' tax cuts somehow. Hopefully there are enough moderate GOP members to prevent some of the worst cuts from happening though I'm skeptical that that'll happen.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Not just abortion but Family Planning and women's health in general, which has implications of life and death on women in the united states, and, you probably guessed it, Black women are overly represented. In texas, black women represent 11% of pregnancies seen in hospitals but are 29% of the mortality rate for expectant and delivery mothers.

Also in Texas, black teens have abortions at a rate of 78/1000, the highest anywhere in the states. Overall in the US, black babies are aborted at a rate of three to four times (depending on your source) higher than that of white women.

Somewhere, Margaret Sanger is smiling. Her vision of planned parenthood lives strong.

For the record I don't really give a #### if someone wants to have an abortion, but let's not sugar coat planned parenthood as some shining beacon of human rights FFS.

[Flash Walken]

You aren't making any sense as per usual.

Is it less moral to abort black babies?

What are you blathering about?

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Also in Texas, black teens have abortions at a rate of 78/1000, the highest anywhere in the states. Overall in the US, black babies are aborted at a rate of three to four times (depending on your source) higher than that of white women.

Somewhere, Margaret Sanger is smiling. Her vision of planned parenthood lives strong.

For the record I don't really give a #### if someone wants to have an abortion, but let's not sugar coat planned parenthood as some shining beacon of human rights FFS.

Planned Parenthood provides necessary medical care to women who otherwise do not have access/cannot afford them. 3% of their services are abortions, the other 97% are actual wellness procedures--including contraception, which prevents the need for abortions in the first place.

Perhaps not a beacon of human rights, but they provide millions of women with necessary care that they would not have otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...th-misleading/

[2Stonedbirds]

I'm blathering on about how the eugenics queen herself, Margaret Sanger, who founded planned parenthood and called it a mechinism to rid the US of "the negro population" would be thrilled at the demographic representation that currently walks into planned parenthood.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Planned Parenthood provides necessary medical care to women who otherwise do not have access/cannot afford them. 3% of their services are abortions, the other 97% are actual wellness procedures--including contraception, which prevents the need for abortions in the first place.

Perhaps not a beacon of human rights, but they provide millions of women with necessary care that they would not have otherwise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...th-misleading/

And all of those things listed are great. I'm not against abortions/medical help/advice or family planning.

Fill your boots.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Obama 2009 Inaugural concert crowd estimate: 400,000 (28 degree day)
Trump 2017 Inaugural concert crowd estimate: 10,000 (52 degree day)

I think we allllllllll know what to think of that.....SAD!

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

I'm blathering on about how the eugenics queen herself, Margaret Sanger, who founded planned parenthood and called it a mechinism to rid the US of "the negro population" would be thrilled at the demographic representation that currently walks into planned parenthood.

Sanger "was far ahead of her times in terms of opposing racial segregation," wrote Baker, a history professor at Goucher College, in an email. She worked closely with black leaders to open birth control clinics in Harlem and elsewhere."

Even authors who treat Sanger critically don’t believe she held negative views about African-Americans. Edwin Black wrote a comprehensive history of the eugenics movement, War Against the Weak, and is no fan of the activist’s beliefs. Ultimately, though, he writes, "Sanger was no racist. Nor was she anti-Semitic."

It’s also worth noting that Sanger died in 1966, six years before the Supreme Court established a nationwide right to abortion services in Roe v. Wade.

Finally, in 1966 Planned Parenthood gave its Margaret Sanger award to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The civil rights leader accepted, and sent his wife, Coretta, to accept. The speech he wrote for the occasion stated that ""There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts."

Sanger was still alive at that point, and her history and statements were well known (she had published an autobiography in 1938 and was never shy about sharing her opinions). If she had, in fact, been a supporter of eliminating black people, it’s doubtful King would have accepted that award.

http://www.politifact.com/new-hampsh...mericans-shou/

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Obama 2009 Inaugural concert crowd estimate: 400,000 (28 degree day)
Trump 2017 Inaugural concert crowd estimate: 10,000 (52 degree day)

I think we allllllllll know what to think of that.....SAD!

Still, probably the biggest crowd most of those acts have played in front of in recent years.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Margaret Sanger

It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County’s white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us.
The ministers work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by getbak

Still, probably the biggest crowd most of those acts have played in front of in recent years.

You underestimate the popularity of county fairs. Though here's the number that's really gonna drive Trump insane: 25,000 protesting in NYC right now. I do look forward though to all the Trump cultists digging up as many fake photos as possible to pass off as the "crowd". I heard it's supposed to be crap weather tomorrow, so might be hard to use sunny crowd pics on a cloudy day, not that they won't try.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Commentary#race/

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

Tone is the most important part of that statement. It wasn't a statement of conspiracy, it was a statement of "oh hey, black people understandably aren't going to trust a white woman telling them to limit how many children they have. If we can get black doctors, people that they already trust, on board, it helps us with our mission."

And again, this is before abortions were performed by PP. They were literally only providing contraception at this point. Abortions did not start happening in Planned Parenthood until after her death.

Also:

"I have never run into any serious academic reference of Sanger or others wanting to ‘kill black babies,’" Indiana University professor Ruth Engs, a eugenics movement expert, told PolitiFact Georgia in an e-mail.

What’s worse, Cain got his facts mixed up.

Sanger’s first birth control clinic opened in 1916 in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, N.Y., which was mostly Irish and Jewish.

When she did open a Harlem clinic in the early 1930s, about half of its patients were white. Members of the black establishment, including DuBois and black newspaper the Amsterdam News, supported it. This was hardly the pro-genocide camp.

Sanger wrote that "We don’t want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs."

But her correspondence shows this sentence advocates for black doctors and ministers to play leadership roles in the Negro Project to avoid misunderstandings. Lynchings and Jim Crow laws gave blacks good reason to be wary of attempts to limit the number of children they bore. In Harlem, she hired a black doctor and social worker to quell those fears.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/st...d-planned-gen/