Current coach's challenge and video review format

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I'm fine with those goals getting called back. They were offside on both plays. Don't want to be offside? Drag your back leg. The rule is on the ice, so the call is correct.

Also who cares if the team is in the zone for a minute? If they entered offside then they shouldn't be there in the first place.

This is why it kills me when Gulutzan challenges things that are obviously not going to be called back. I'm not sure who it is that makes the decision but if it's somebody whispering in Glens ear to do it, there have been some bad advice in multiple games this season.

I care, seems like many others do

nobody on the ice thought it was offside they continued to play...the Pathers had multiple opportunities to get the puck out.

Whats next...a guy knocked that one down with a high stick 2 mins ago, should have been a whistle but wasn't called. Reset the clock

[Sgrath]

For me the easiest and quickest improvement would be Put a timer on the review 90s from coach issuing challenge. if timer runs out without a decision, call on the ice stands. The challenge was for egregious errors such as player being metres offside. So if the review takes too long then it is "inconclusive" therefore call stands.

[EVERLAST]

I think it is as simple as this.

Coaches challenge anytime and if the results inconclusive a 2 minute minor called .....the refs are not getting it right even with video review.

The calls are horrid this year and I'm not just a Homer drinking tainted koolaid.

2 Frick ing goals last night on the right end of a win yes but what if those points cost us a play off spot?

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I care, seems like many others do

nobody on the ice thought it was offside they continued to play...the Pathers had multiple opportunities to get the puck out.

Whats next...a guy knocked that one down with a high stick 2 mins ago, should have been a whistle but wasn't called. Reset the clock

Right, nobody thought it was offside, but it was. But once again, if the play was offside then how can they be in the zone to score a goal? They cannot, hence the goal does not count no matter how long they were in the zone before they scored. Because they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

If the team is gassed it's still a valid strategy to stall and break up the other team's momentum though, even when you know the challenge isn't winnable.

EDIT - Here's an offside in the Jets/Caps game that was said to be a good goal, despite the trailing leg of the Jets player not being grounded when the puck enters the zone.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/g...inst-capitals/

Yeah, I understand that, but GG has used it in the first period and when his guys don't need a time out. Something obvious later in the game he cannot challenge. Plus he loses his timeout. The team has to be smarter with these.

[GreenLantern2814]

You have officials on the ice for a reason. If you can immediately tell, and I mean within 5 seconds at regular speed, then overturn the call. The second you have to invent new camera angles, slow it down to one frame per second and blow it up 50x, that play is on side.

There needs to be a time limit on replay. One minute at most. I don't tune in to watch reviews.

[Armchair Quarterback]

Hate it. Slows down the game, kills momentum, takes attention away from the play. It is also part of the NFL-ization of hockey (coupled, for example, with referees announcing what the penalty is for Americans and people who don't know what the hand signals mean).

Speaking more philosophically, it takes away from the ambiguities and contingencies of hockey that make it interesting (things like, was that player really offside? Was Hull's famous Stanley-Cup-winning goal with his skate in the crease? Etc.). Arguing about whether or not a call was correct, especially after several beers, is an integral part of sports fandom.

Hey while we're at it let's make a coach's challenge optional for every penalty. That will make the game more fair!

[flambers]

yep, I hate the rule. The review does nothing but delay the game.

NHL needs more offense, to implement a rule that delay's games and can remove goals is crazy.

Errors are part of the game, including officials.

[Philly06Cup]

Re: this rule reducing goals:
-Removing illegitimate goals is a good thing.
-If linesmen know that offsides can't be overturned, they may be more willing to blow whistles on plays that are onsides. With a challenge rule, they can err on the side of letting the play stand, which is a good thing.

Re: homer bias resulting in Flames fans hating this rule.
-Yes, I think this is a real thing. This rule negated two flames goals. It 100% makes sense for that to have an effect on how Flames fans view the rule, consciously or subconsciously.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by flambers

yep, I hate the rule. The review does nothing but delay the game.

NHL needs more offense, to implement a rule that delay's games and can remove goals is crazy.

Errors are part of the game, including officials.

It's kind of funny how different the NHL is from other sports leagues. Offense sells in almost all sports. Few fans shell out $$$ to see football or hockey teams play lock down defensive games. The juicing of players in MLB kind of helped the sport gain a lot of popularity it lost after their strike because fans like home runs and scoring. It's why MLB turned a blind eye when they knew Sosa, McGuire, Canseco, etc were all juicing because of the attention the home run races were attracting. The NFL introduced new rules to making it harder for DB's to cover receivers which in turn has led to QB's routinely putting up over 4000 yard seasons when at one time that was a big milestone. That's what fans want as nobody wants to see 10-7 games.

Meanwhile over the years the NHL has introduced silly skate in the crease rules (which resulted in big embarrassment in the Stanley Cup), and replay like this all designed to remove goals. Can someone explain this epidemic of bad goals due to egregious offsides that was such a big issue they had to introduce this replay rule in the first place? In the big picture this happened few and far between but now we are seeing goals called back because skates are over the line but off the ice or less than an inch offside. I'm sorry but this is simply not good for the game or fans that after cheering a big goal by the home team having to sit and wait minutes to find out that was all for not because a skater was determined to be 1 cm offside on the NHL's HD cameras.

I got no issue with using replay to determine if a puck did or did not cross the goal line as that's what all fans want. However this offside replay rule is just a downer for fans in a sport where goals are already become too few and far between. The CFL has got horrible since they started replaying pass interference and illegal contact and there's a fine line where too much replay is a bad thing for all sports.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Re: this rule reducing goals:
-Removing illegitimate goals is a good thing.
-If linesmen know that offsides can't be overturned, they may be more willing to blow whistles on plays that are onsides. With a challenge rule, they can err on the side of letting the play stand, which is a good thing.

Re: homer bias resulting in Flames fans hating this rule.
-Yes, I think this is a real thing. This rule negated two flames goals. It 100% makes sense for that to have an effect on how Flames fans view the rule, consciously or subconsciously.

Nah, it's like Baseball or Football the video replay has to be done properly or it can really hurt the game.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

Re: this rule reducing goals:
-Removing illegitimate goals is a good thing.
-If linesmen know that offsides can't be overturned, they may be more willing to blow whistles on plays that are onsides. With a challenge rule, they can err on the side of letting the play stand, which is a good thing.

I don't know if I buy that. I don't think I have seen anything that tells me they will let plays go if it is close because of the potential review. There have been a bunch of offsides that have been called when they should not have. A linesman will call the game to the best of his abilities regardless of the potential review. For the most part they are good at what they do.

[FireGilbert]

I still think Rugby has the best review system in the world. No challenges, just the on field ref and the off field video ref working together to try and get as many calls right as possible.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's kind of funny how different the NHL is from other sports leagues. Offense sells in almost all sports. Few fans shell out $$$ to see football or hockey teams play lock down defensive games. The juicing of players in MLB kind of helped the sport gain a lot of popularity it lost after their strike because fans like home runs and scoring. It's why MLB turned a blind eye when they knew Sosa, McGuire, Canseco, etc were all juicing because of the attention the home run races were attracting. The NFL introduced new rules to making it harder for DB's to cover receivers which in turn has led to QB's routinely putting up over 4000 yard seasons when at one time that was a big milestone. That's what fans want as nobody wants to see 10-7 games.

Meanwhile over the years the NHL has introduced silly skate in the crease rules (which resulted in big embarrassment in the Stanley Cup), and replay like this all designed to remove goals. Can someone explain this epidemic of bad goals due to egregious offsides that was such a big issue they had to introduce this replay rule in the first place? In the big picture this happened few and far between but now we are seeing goals called back because skates are over the line but off the ice or less than an inch offside. I'm sorry but this is simply not good for the game or fans that after cheering a big goal by the home team having to sit and wait minutes to find out that was all for not because a skater was determined to be 1 cm offside on the NHL's HD cameras.

I got no issue with using replay to determine if a puck did or did not cross the goal line as that's what all fans want. However this offside replay rule is just a downer for fans in a sport where goals are already become too few and far between. The CFL has got horrible since they started replaying pass interference and illegal contact and there's a fine line where too much replay is a bad thing for all sports.

The NFL and NCAA are just as bad or worse when it comes to reversing exciting plays. Whether it is a TD, pick, catch, fumble etc. They review everything. It sucks the life out of the game. You never know if a play will stand.

Nowadays when your team scores in football you can never cheer right away. The actual TD call is when the ref says "and the call on the field is confirmed" and it is super lame.

And Baseball has horrible problems of reviewing big plays exactly like the NHL. They call exciting plays out because a guy's stomach may have been off the bag for less than 1/10 of a second while he was sliding over the base. It actually totally goes against the spirit of the replay rules, which was initially designed just to make sure of who got there first.

If anything, we want the NHL to avoid becoming the NFL and MLB. We certainly don't want the NHL to emulate them.