Star Wars Rogue One thread with Spoilers

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You wonder if at some point Disney just completely re-makes the prequels. They could even keep Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan; even in another ten years he'd still be perfectly age appropriate to turn into Alec Guinness - he's 45 and could pass for late 30's Guinness was 60something, and arguably played a bit older.

I would love if they went Deadpool and rebooted the prequels using the same actor. McGregor was perfect as Obi Wan however the prequel scrips just ruined the character. The gave him very little backstory or development and nothing important to do. In I he was left in the shuttle and in II and III he was sent off on pointless missions.

The prequels really needed to explore the relationship between Obi Wan and Anakin showing them build to becoming almost family before the betrayal. Unfortunely you barely ever saw them fighting together and just had to assume they became bros in the clone wars. Even the line "You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!", which was beautifully acted, loses all meaning because I was like since when were they brothers who loved each other, I didn't see any of that in these films?

Originally Posted by GGG

Episode iii is very watchable. If you recast Anakin 2/3 aren't terrible movies at all. 1 is awful.

But you're right if you end III with Portmans death and the emporers shuttle flying down to the planet you could watch them in order.

It would make Kenobis line about having fought with Luke's father more powerful. Although when he says Darth Vader killed Luke's father it wouldn't make any sense because the viewer would have already seen Kenobi kill him.

It's why you have to watch 4 and 5 first. Maybe rogue 1

Come on, II is just as bad if not worse than I. At least I has Darth Maul and the cool light sabre fight at the end. Episode II has a stupid love story something about sand, a messy CGI battle, and it completely ruined Yoda. Also, I don't know if re-casting Anakin would have done anything, he had some pretty pathetic dialog to work with. Oh and Episode II was where you realised wow, it wasn't just a one off due to Jar Jar, there is something fundamentally wrong with these prequels.

Also, while I agree III is watchable I don't find it a very good movie and wouldn't bother watching if it happened to be on TV. As said above Obi Wan is a poorly developed character who is sent off on a pointless side mission to battle a stupid CGI character while riding a CGI lizard (why???), any scene with Anakin and Padme is cringe worthy, they ruined Yoda even more, and the "epic" light sabre battle at the end, although visually appealing, was completely ridiculous and over the top. Also it didn't have the emotional impact it should have because they failed to develop the Obi Wan and Anakin relationship.

I think it gets rated highly by some fans because it is the best of the prequels, the opening scene was cool, and the last 5 minutes pulls the nostalgia strings.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yup. The prequels as they are even contradict the limited amount of information that the original movies give us about Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan. It'd be a fairly easy thing to write a series of movies that give you an arc for Anakin that actually makes all six movies together his story, as opposed to three movies with no discernible protagonist and then three with Luke.

[CaptainCrunch]

You know its funny, because I can selectively like parts of the prequel movies and pull out the key pieces of mythology and in a lot of ways it links together very well

Phantom Menace

What I liked - Palpatine and the way he manipulated everything including power over the senate. The Sith mythology including the rule of two which I thought was a very cool concept to fight a massive organization like the Rebels. Ewan was born to play Obi-Wan. Liam was great as his mentor. Natalie Portmans best performance in the series. Ray Park as Darth Maul. The light saber fight between Maul and Obi-Wan was unbelievably well done.

What I didn't like - Of course Jar Jar. The overly cute battledroids and horribly racists characters like the trade federation.

Ok, if I was writing it what would I do - First of all, the whole slavery aspect was not well done. If your going to make Anakin and his mother slaves then I would make it brutal and harsh and a prime motivator for Anakin's fall (I want power so I never become a slave again) I probably would have scrapped Jar Jar, he really wasn't needed even as an intro to the Gungans who participated in the battle later on. Anakin, I would have made him older and far less optimistic about his life and the galaxy. I would have made him more angry and less petulant. I would have changed the pod racing to make if far more dangerous and that Anakin really needs the force to win it

AOTC

What I liked - Frankly I liked the background machinations by Palpatine and Dooku and the creation of a clone army that at first was a saviour to the galaxy but later became its great oppressor. Ewan again was incredibly strong, Chris Lee was superb as Dooku. Best moment of all, Jar Jar pretty much delivers the galaxy to the Sith. Natalie mailed in her performance except for a few key scenes, Hayden really struggled, he looked like Anakin, he had some real Vader mannerisms nailed but he just couldn't show the emotional struggle.

What I didn't like - The romance between Anakin and Padme, mainly because as actors they had no chemistry whatsoever. Over CGI. Instead of having Yoda flipping around, show how powerful he is by having him never turn on his light saber and never lift a finger. Bad dialogue choices over all.

What I would change

I would have begin to lay the tracks where Anakin see's that the Jedi council isn't perfect. Maybe they decide to leave him and Obi-Wan and Padme on Geonosis because the Senate and Palpatine won't give the Jedi senate authorization. Show more of a father son relationship between Palpatine and Anakin. Maybe a few more honest Iago moments as the devil begins his seduction. I liked the clone concept and loved the two Sith Lords fighting on the opposite sides. But I think that in the end they should have shown that the CIS was closer to victory. I liked the concept of Jango Fett being murdered to give more motivation to Bobba, but I'm not sure if it was needed. We could have instead gone with a early 20's Bobba Fett as the template, because even in ROTJ he was never killing out of revenge, he was a professional. You still have to have the love story, but I think that I would find a way to simplify it and focus on Anakin's fall being out of a feeling of betrayal by the Jedi.

ROTS -

What I liked. I liked this movie a lot. I liked the fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan. I loved the opening battle. I loved Palpatine in this movie as well. Ewan was strong. Palpatine's betrayal of Dooku was awesome.

What I didn't like - Again Natalie was terrible and it wasn't just dialogue problems, I just got a sense that at the time she regretted taking on this character because she was a bit of a classics snob. Hayden really struggled except on the physical side where he showed a lot of power and a lot of Vader mannerisms. I think that the reason for Anakins' fall was rushed, but that goes back through the whole movie line. Only the Sith deal in absolutes - Really Obi you sound absolutely sure about that line.

What I would have changed. While there would have been an element of the fear of the loss of his wife as a reason for his turn. I would have at some point in this movie have Obi-Wan accidentally do something that rips their friend ship apart. Or, I would have had Anakin make his choice of falling to be clearly about gaining power so he's never a slave again only to in the final bitter irony become enslaved to his fate as a servant of Palpatine.

I wold have made the Jedi a lot more ineffective so that Anakin realizes that he needs to bring peace to the galaxy and that's part of his fall.

More dialogue when Anakin became Vader, when he was killing the Separatists, give him snark. In the book they had some great dialogue.

One of the separatists when cornered begs for his life and says "Please , Lord Sidious promised that we'd be left in peace." And Anakin laughs in his face and says "The communication was garbled, he promised that you'd be left in pieces"

And another one begging for her life says "But we were promised a handsome reward" and Anakin says before beheading her "Don't you find me handsome". It was so Vaderesque and well done as well as the dialogue between Anakin and Obi-Wan where Anakin was basically giving Obi-Wan a chance to disappear because he wasn't needed anymore.

The death of the broken heart thing was really dumb to me, they could have really pushed the Vader consuming Anakin by having him slam her into the ground indifferently when he see's Obi-Wan, and he doesn't fight him because of jealousy. He fights him because he feels betrayed by him and the jedi and its been building.

Oh and the NOOOO Scene would be changed. I'd find a way to show regret, and then show Anakin accepting his fate as a slave to Palpatine and kneeling in front of his master.

Oh and as a link to the OT and its a small detail. But at the death star they're not in a Jedi Cruiser but a brand new Imperial Star Destroyer.

[speede5]

Absolutely. The prequels have cringe moments but there is a lot of good stuff in them.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would love to rewrite them just for fun.

I would completely change the time line and events though

Star Wars TPM

- We still have the trade dispute and the invasion of Naboo, and Obi-Wan and Qui-gon's involvement. They manage to escape with the Queen and manage to make it to Tatooine.
- Meanwhile Sidious dispatches his apprentice Darth Maul. to find them. As kindly senator Palpatine he goes to the Senate and announces the invasion of his home world, he begs the Jedi for help. The Jedi send a small force of peace keepers lead by Master Dooku.
- On Tatooine we meet Anakin Skywalker an Enslaved boy of 13 who lives with his mother. At least until last night when a drunken Watto takes his mother in chains because he sold her to pay off a loss at the gambling pit.
- Obi-Wan, Qui-qon and Padme arrive on Tattooine with their attendant droid C3PO. they find a broken down astro-mech droid that offers to help fix their ship, his name is R2D2.
- The peacekeepers arrive on Naboo, they are ambushed by mercenaries who slaughter the inexperienced Jedi. Master Dooku survives and calls for help, the Jedi prepare to send a response but are blocked by the Senate being secretly bribed by Palpatine.
Anakin witnesses a overseer beating one of his only friends to death. In a rage Anakin collapses the tunnel killing his friend and the overseer. Its the first time he's knowingly used the force, and he fears and savors it at the same time.
- Qui-gon and Padme find Watto's shop and try to buy the parts they need, but they don't have money. At that point Qui-gon senses Anakin in the next room and clearly recognizes his power. He challenges Watto to a game of chance, at stake is his ship and Padme's potential slavery versus the boy and the parts they need. Qui-gon cheats and Anakin recognizes it. after Anakin is freed, Watto flies into a rage. Anakin uses his new found powers to shove him away.
-On the way back to their ship they run into Maul. Qui-gon is killed, Obi-Wan see's this and rescues Padme, and Anakin.
- They fly back to Coruscant. Anakin tells Padme about his mother being sold and that he will come back to free the slaves. he consoles himself by restoring R2D2
- Count Dooku continues to call for help from the Jedi council and is told he's on his own by his old master Yoda, the Jedi must respect the Senates decision.
-Anakin Obi and Padme reach Coruscant. Padme speaks on behalf of Naboo and calls for a vote on no confidence. Palpatine sweeps to power, but the corrupt senate blocks his first act (Because of Sideous) which is dispatching the Jedi on a rescue mission to Naboo.
- Palpatine talks about corruption of the Senate and dispatches our hero's to Naboo secretly because he loves the Jedi.
- In a final fight Anakin helps on the ground battle he and Obi-wan run into Maul and a duel ensues Obi-Wan is knocked out and Anakin picks up his light sabre and tries to fight Maul, but he doesn't have the power or training. Maul plays with him and just as he's about to kill him, Dooku rescues him.
- They return to Coruscant with the trade federation in chains. Dooku announces that he's leaving the Jedi order he can no longer abide by the corruption of the Republic. He tells Anakin to beware the darkside.
- Obi-Wan honors his master by fighting to train Anakin.
- Anakin says good bye to Padme.
- The last scene we see is Dooku leaving the Jedi temple. he heads to his new home where he is met by Palpatine who tells him that they have a great many things to discuss.

AOTC
- We learn in the opening crawl that the trade federation was absolved of all blame thanks to a corrupt senate. We also learn that Dooku has formed the CIS in response to Republic corruption, a civil war has erupted.
- We have the murder attempt on Padme, by a sniper, she barely survives. The Jedi dispatch Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker and council member Ben Kenobi. Anakin is the youngest Jedi to ever gain his knighthood and its impressive considering his age when he started. However there are concerns that Anakin is too powerful and not in control of his emotions.
- Anakin see's Padme for the first time in 7 years. He gets Jedi wood.
- Obi-wan is sent to investigate the bounty hunter who shot at Padme.
- Anakin is put in charge of Padme, he tells her that he has worked so hard to he can free the slaves on Tatooine and rescue his mother.
- Padme agrees to help, he returns to Tatooine and they track down Watto. He gets the name of the slaver who won his mother and goes to get her. The Slaver tells Anakin that his mother was a worthless slave and she died years ago. Anakin loses it, and executes the slaver in a nasty fashion. He free's the slaves. Padme talks to Anakin and decides that nobody needs to know about what happened here, but she believes Anakin was right to do it.
- The couple head to Naboo
- Obi-Wan tracks the bounty hunter to Kamino and discovers he's a young Mandalorian named Bobba Fett. He discovers the Clone army and that Sifo Dyas a long dead jedi paid for its creation.
- Obi-wan tracks clues of a fleeing Booba Fett to Genosis he heads there and is captured but not before sending off a call to help to the republic.
- But just as the Jedi are going to rescue them, the CIS attack in force including at Coruscant. The Republic is over run by droids. Yoda goes to Kamino to get the Clone army. But he knows he can't use it without Palpatine's help. Palpatine makes an impassioned speech in the Senate and is given emergency powers. He declares martial law.
- Anakin and Pademe are captured and bought before Dooku who sentences them to death by slavery. Anakin rages and they temporarily escape and call for help. Yoda without much time tells him that the Jedi and the Senate can't help them and he's sorry.
- They are recaptured and thrown in the slave pens. An overseer beats obi-wan and padme and laughs in Anakin's face. At this point the chosen one shows why he's the most powerful Jedi eva. He free's everyone and kills the overseers and they make their way to the landing pad. However Anakin decides that he wants Justice and wants to go after Dooku. He and Obi-wan argue horribly and Obi-wan grabs Padme and leaves. Anakin stalks off in search of Dooku.
- Meanwhile we see War across the galaxy as the Grand Army of the Republic enters the field with Jedi helping them. We see Captain Tarkin leading the defense of Coruscant and his methods are distasteful to the Jedi. The Jedi intercept a communication between Sidious and Dooku and dispatch Jedi to capture Sideous, who uses a separatist kidnapping to get out of dodge. The next time he steps on Coruscant the Jedi Temple will be in flames and all the Jedi dead.
- Meanwhile Anakin tracks down Dooku and loses his arm, but then kills Dooku.
Mace and Yoda attempt to rescue Sideous, but soon discover that he is the Sith Lord behind the war. In a unbelievable power fight Mace is vaporized and Yoda is beaten back. and flees. Darth Sideous declares himself Emperor and executes order 66 the Clones turn on their Jedi and destroy the Temple. Sideous contacts the CIS leadership and they shut down their droid armies.
- Anakin contacts Obi-Wan, and demands to know their location, Obi-Wan recognizes the darkside and refuses. Anakin states that he's going to end this war and the corruption of the Republic. He tracks down Sideous who has returned to Coruscant. Its a good fight, but at this point Sideous is too powerful. Anakin covetous of his power and his desire to find Padme and bring peace to the Galaxy falls for Sideous's con and pledges himself to the Sith and becomes Darth Vader.
- The Movie ends with scenes of Clones killing Jedi. Yoda lands on Dagobah and signals for all Jedi to go into hiding. We see Obi-Wan clearly upset as Padme informs him that she loves Anakin and she needs to find him.

Episode 3 - Rise of the empire

- We start with a montage of Darth Vader not yet armored killing the separatist leadership and then leading the 501st on missions to kill Jedi. We see Yoda clearly feeling every death. We see Kenobi meditating.

- Naboo begins a uprising lead by the Gungans lead by General Jar Jar Binks. Padme tries to convince him not to do it, but fails. Vader shows up and executes Jar Jar by tearing off his head and then slam dunking it through a basket ball hoop. Padme confronts Vader who still loves her. They get secretly married and he gives her the magic bullet.

- Sideous gives Vader the order to track down his former friend Obi-wan Kenobi. Padme begs him not to go to flee with him and raise their child in peace. Vader tells her that he must serve his master and the dark side of the force. He also tells her that the Jedi are a curse that cannot come back.

- Obi-Wan finds Padme and explains what's happened to Anakin that he's not the good man that he used to be. Padme knows this but believes he can be redeemed and offers to help Obi-Wan who refuses the obviously pregnant wife of his best friend.

- Obi-wan leaves. Padme puts a tracker on his ship.

Vader tracks a bunch of Jedi to Mustafar and slaughters them, he continues to feel more and more powerful. Obi-Wan arrvies and a fierce battle ensues. Anakin gives into his rage and its clear that he's more powerful then his old master. Just as he's about to strike him down, Padme throws herself in between them to save Obi-Wan and bring Vader back to Sanity. But Vader see's this as a betrayal, he force chokes her and throws her into a wall. Obi stabs his former student through the chest and lops off his arm. He leaves Anakin alive and flees with Padme. Anakin seethes alone.

- Darth Sideous arrives on Mustafar. Vader confronts him and attacks him Palpatine shows his power and though Anakin is very powerful at this point his master outpoints him and Anakin ends up in the Lava burning.

- Obi-Wan arrives on Dagobah and helps Padme deliver twins she wakes up long enough to hold them and tell OBi and Yoda that there is still good in them. She dies because Anakin gave her severe injuries and neither Yoda or Obi are fricken doctors. Good enough? Yup.

- We see Anakin transforming into the Vader that we know.
- We see a pregnant looking Padme being buried on Naboo. We see Sideous smile because she is no longer a threat.
- We see Vader talking with Palpatine. Palpatine makes Vader understand that he is Vader's path to power and Vader needs him. Vader simply replies "Yes master for now" then drops to a knee
- We see Yoda dropping off Leia with the Organas. "My ship smells like poo hmmm" and then he returns to Dagobah.
- We see Obi-Wan dropping Luke off at the Farm. As he's leaving Owen tells him not to come around he's not welcome.
- We see one last shot of an armored Vader fighting a Jedi Master and killing her while a group of Clone Storm Troopers execute younglings.
- We see Palpatine on the bridge of a Star Destroyer with Tarkin looking at a under construction Death Star.

We end.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Stop limiting yourself. You don't even have to rewrite the existing movies, you can do literally whatever you want. The story doesn't have to feature Naboo, or Padme, or Jar Jar Binks, or Darth Maul (though let's face it you probably want to keep Maul). Basically as long as it exists in the same world as TCW, you're all set. There are almost no continuity restrictions there other than "these races, places, and characters exist". And if you want to kick TCW out of canon completely, well, then even those restrictions fall away.

[icecube]

The Prequels are an abomination and not worth anyone's time dissecting or discussing. Pretend they don't exist and your life will be great like mine is.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by icecube

The Prequels are an abomination and not worth anyone's time dissecting or discussing. Pretend they don't exist and your life will be great like mine is.

I've been pretending they never happened for years and my life is bliss.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Then it would have to be a really good movie on it's own merit and not just a good Star Wars movie. Because Lucas nearly destroyed the franchise I feel the last two movies have become a little overrated on the basis of simply being a lot better than episodes 1, 2, 3. Entertaining movie for sure. Best Motion picture worthy? Not even close. Star Trek beyond was a good movie as well but nobody's going to trumpet that for Oscars either.

Well maybe, but i think you and others are picking away at Rogue One precisely because it is a Star Wars movie - but then again as Locke points out - it is really difficult to make a good Star Wars movie - so maybe it is Oscar worthy for doing such good work in that context.

[blankall]

The biggest opportunity for conflict they missed between Anakin and the Jedi was that the Jedi ban romantic relationships. That should have been a much bigger focus in the rift between Anakin and the Jedi. It also leads itself into the issues between Anakin and Padme.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've been pretending they never happened for years and my life is bliss.

^^You see what I mean!

[codynw]

I like the prequels and Jar Jar is my favourite.

[FireGilbert]

The Library of Congress National Film Preservation Board was set up to ensure the survival, conservation and increased public availability of America's film heritage.
Star Wars and Empire are included in the film registry.

There needs to be an opposite organisation called the Non-Preservation Board for films such as the prequels to ensure they are shot into the sun and never preserved.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by codynw

I like the prequels and Jar Jar is my favourite.

[N-E-B]

I like the prequels... They're not as strong as the original trilogy but whatever. I can look past the bad parts. Jar Jar isn't my favourite but I really don't think he's that bad. He didn't ruin the movies for me.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I like the prequels... They're not as strong as the original trilogy but whatever. I can look past the bad parts. Jar Jar isn't my favourite but I really don't think he's that bad. He didn't ruin the movies for me.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I like the prequels... They're not as strong as the original trilogy but whatever. I can look past the bad parts. Jar Jar isn't my favourite but I really don't think he's that bad. He didn't ruin the movies for me.

Jar Jar is a racist cartoon who is extremely loud and insists on commenting on everything that happens in front of him. He was also given far more screen time than previous child friendly buddies in the series like C3P0 or Wicket.

I cannot think of a worse concept for a Star Wars film, or let alone any kind of media.

No he didn't ruin all of the movies for me. Only because he doesn't really appear in the second two, and the first was so bad that there was nothing to ruin.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I like the prequels... They're not as strong as the original trilogy but whatever. I can look past the bad parts. Jar Jar isn't my favourite but I really don't think he's that bad. He didn't ruin the movies for me.

Jar Jar was a major mistake but the biggest to me was the casting of Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker. His performance was so wooden and forced that it was hard to swallow watching a leading man that was struggling to be convincing with the given material. He had zero chemistry with Portman which just killed romance story and while he didn't get a lot of help from the poor dialog Lucas saddled him with I just feel a more accomplished actor may have been able to rise above the material like McGregor. Nobody will ever claim it was his best work but he was good enough not to be a distraction unlike Christensen.

At the end of the day the blame has to be laid at the feet of Lucas for the whole being less than the sum of its parts as you can argue the prequels featured the most accomplished cast of all the movies.

[GreenLantern]

Ya especially when you see Hayden and Ewan acting side by side, it's like a crack whore and a model at a beauty pageant. One just has no business being there and is completely out of place next to the other.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Ya especially when you see Hayden and Ewan acting side by side, it's like a crack whore and a model at a beauty pageant. One just has no business being there and is completely out of place next to the other.

I'd love a candid interview with Ewan about what it was like to act alongside Hayden. I can only imagine what he'd say.