Treliving w/o contract for next year

[Cali Panthers Fan]

We are a fundamentally better team since Treliving took over from Feaster(Burke). We have been making steady progress in all areas, and the vision is clear and correct. We will be a perennial playoff team with chances at making a cup run or two.

No G.M. is perfect, but as long as progress is being made, I will happily take what Treliving is doing over most GMs in the league. Extend the man ASAP.

[Locke]

I'd give him a 1 year/$1M 'show me' contract.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He would have more points if the Flames were producing more, 5 on 5. That is true for all of them.

His value is not limited to points though, and will be more on display when games are more meaningful.

I think sometimes fans just don't like contracts for older players and want to complain about them long before the player even starts to decline. Giordano is a perfect example - everybody's favorite until the moment he signs a new contract and then he's instantly too old and every bad play becomes confirmation that his skills are deteriorating.

Saturday night was meaningful. He was pretty invisible as he has been a lot of nights. Maybe he will take a few games coming off the injury to hit his stride but if he takes too long the next meaningful game may be next season.

Absolutely because most of us hate having to wait for un-tradeable contracts like Wideman's to end. Flames fans would have been furious if Treliving gave Lucic that deal Edmonton did and for good reason. We all love Gio but his play has dropped off this year. Maybe like Brodie it's due to the new style of play but we have to accept he's probably going to start sliding slowly and he's only in the first year of a six year deal. It's pretty scary to think of how much of an albatross that could be if he loses a step in the next couple of years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Treliving supporter but sooner or later the owners will want to see some progress and right now I don't know if the team is getting better as it seem they have tapered off some from 2014. I just don't know how much patience the ownership has ultimately as this isn't Winnipeg where they are on a budget as the owners have given management all the financial resources they could ask for to pursue players they see fit to get this team into a contender. I don't think a GM in Calgary is going to get the time like they are giving Chevy in Winnipeg to not make that next step.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Saturday night was meaningful. He was pretty invisible as he has been a lot of nights. Maybe he will take a few games coming off the injury to hit his stride but if he takes too long the next meaningful game may be next season.

Absolutely because most of us hate having to wait for un-tradeable contracts like Wideman's to end. Flames fans would have been furious if Treliving gave Lucic that deal Edmonton did and for good reason. We all love Gio but his play has dropped off this year. Maybe like Brodie it's due to the new style of play but we have to accept he's probably going to start sliding slowly and he's only in the first year of a six year deal. It's pretty scary to think of how much of an albatross that could be if he loses a step in the next couple of years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Treliving supporter but sooner or later the owners will want to see some progress and right now I don't know if the team is getting better as it seem they have tapered off some from 2014. I just don't know how much patience the ownership has ultimately as this isn't Winnipeg where they are on a budget as the owners have given management all the financial resources they could ask for to pursue players they see fit to get this team into a contender. I don't think a GM in Calgary is going to get the time like they are giving Chevy in Winnipeg to not make that next step.

If you can't see how they are a much differently structured team with a far better game plan than 2014 with progress towards being a strong playoff contender, then you are just looking at the standings and point production as the only metrics to guide your evaluation.

This team is so much better than 2014. The results haven't been noticeably different, but they're going the direction that all teams serious about a real playoff run have to go. Another year and this team could make a serious run at the cup if all goes well. I don't know what you were expecting.

[Vinny01]

2015 was clearly an anomaly and many said as much with our high shooting %, and knack for late game comebacks (pretty sure the Flames had a positive goal differential with the goalie pulled that year). Last year was the wake up call many saw coming and while it was a painful year Matthew Tkachuk was a great consolation prize.

The team this year is Treliving's team almost top to bottom. His coach is behind the bench and outside of our number 4 D (Wideman) and 4th line center (Stajan) Treliving has acquired or at least signed every Flames player to their current deal.

The team is in a dogfight for a playoff spot which is where many saw them at the start of the season. It is surprising they are here though with Monahan, Gaudreau, Brodie, Giordano, Bennett all underperforming.

Hopefully this team is able to push through to the playoffs but regardless I think Treliving deserves an extension. His fleecing of Boston for Hamilton, and his Glencross and Russell rental deals were great trades.

In his 3 drafts Hickey, Andersen, Kylington, Mangipane, Dube, Parsons, Fox all look like good picks outside the first round

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If you can't see how they are a much differently structured team with a far better game plan than 2014 with progress towards being a strong playoff contender, then you are just looking at the standings and point production as the only metrics to guide your evaluation.

This team is so much better than 2014. The results haven't been noticeably different, but they're going the direction that all teams serious about a real playoff run have to go. Another year and this team could make a serious run at the cup if all goes well. I don't know what you were expecting.

Yeah I just don't share your optimism here. I don't think this team is remotely close to being a cup contender. Johnson has been great as a short term fix but until the goaltending situation gets sorted out I'm not convinced the playoffs are going to be in the picture for a while. Sooner or later the Jets will fire Maurice and once that happens I expect they will ascend. The Oilers seem to have at least taken the step to being a team in the mix for a bottom seed. I look at the Flames roster and I just don't see the skill in the forward ranks to match those two teams.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I just don't share your optimism here. I don't think this team is remotely close to being a cup contender. Johnson has been great as a short term fix but until the goaltending situation gets sorted out I'm not convinced the playoffs are going to be in the picture for a while. Sooner or later the Jets will fire Maurice and once that happens I expect they will ascend. The Oilers seem to have at least taken the step to being a team in the mix for a bottom seed. I look at the Flames roster and I just don't see the skill in the forward ranks to match those two teams.

Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk, Frolik, Backlund. That's not even considering any future players we might draft, develop, trade for, or sign.

There's plenty of skill there to be competitive with any team around the league unless you're talking about the Capitals, Penguins, or Blackhawks.

You're just being a pessimist, and a contrarian. I know it's your thing, but you're wrong in this case.

Jets and the Oilers better? For shame EE, for shame.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk, Frolik, Backlund. That's not even considering any future players we might draft, develop, trade for, or sign.

There's plenty of skill there to be competitive with any team around the league unless you're talking about the Capitals, Penguins, or Blackhawks.

You're just being a pessimist, and a contrarian. I know it's your thing, but you're wrong in this case.

Jets and the Oilers better? For shame EE, for shame.

How can I be any more wrong about the future than you can be right? The correct answer is that our opinions differ and time will tell.

[FanIn80]

Treliving is legit. He'll be re-signed; it's a no-brainer.

He's 6'4" 225lbs and he's only 47. The guy's got a huge career in front of him.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How can I be any more wrong about the future than you can be right?

You're saying we don't have enough talent to compete with these other teams?

You could argue that the Dallas Stars have more offensive talent up front than anyone in the conference. Where are they in the standings right now?

All it takes is to have a few game breakers and have them play the right way. That's how Chicago has been doing it for years. Defense still wins championships, and this team has started to figure out how to play extremely strong defense and score enough to win games.

It's no coincidence that the youngest players have struggled this year. This is probably the first exposure they've had to really strong systems play with a focus on defense at the NHL level. It's taking them time to learn how to transition into offense after they play defense, but it's coming. They scored more before because they were given a lot of freedom to do their thing in the offensive zone without any focus on defense. It's great for the individual point totals, but bad for team winning strategies.

I am fairly confident that the talent is still there, it's just finding it's footing again after a massive change in style of play. So yeah, your evaluation of this team is off. It's always easy to hedge your bets and temper expectation because often you'll be correct. It's also requires no courage or convictions.

I'll grant you that we still need a goalie long term, but there are possible solutions in the organization, and there may be moves made after the expansion draft to find an immediate solution.

[Ashasx]

Can we please give a general manager (who has shown competence) more than 3 years to turn things around?

Part of the reason why bad teams are always bad is because they have no direction.

[FireGilbert]

Came for the Treliving is a smarter better dressed Colborne. Leaving disappointed.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Can we please give a general manager (who has shown competence) more than 3 years to turn things around?

Part of the reason why bad teams are always bad is because they have no direction.

This may often be true but if you didn't hire the right person, you certainly don't keep them around just for the sake of consistency.

Would the Flames be better today with Feaster, Weisbrod and Hartley still running the show?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Can we please give a general manager (who has shown competence) more than 3 years to turn things around?

Why are some posters making this about fans wanting him out when it's the owners that haven't re-upped him? Has a single person here said they hope he doesn't get an extension?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Absolutely because most of us hate having to wait for un-tradeable contracts like Wideman's to end. Flames fans would have been furious if Treliving gave Lucic that deal Edmonton did and for good reason. We all love Gio but his play has dropped off this year. Maybe like Brodie it's due to the new style of play but we have to accept he's probably going to start sliding slowly and he's only in the first year of a six year deal. It's pretty scary to think of how much of an albatross that could be if he loses a step in the next couple of years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Treliving supporter but sooner or later the owners will want to see some progress and right now I don't know if the team is getting better as it seem they have tapered off some from 2014. I just don't know how much patience the ownership has ultimately as this isn't Winnipeg where they are on a budget as the owners have given management all the financial resources they could ask for to pursue players they see fit to get this team into a contender. I don't think a GM in Calgary is going to get the time like they are giving Chevy in Winnipeg to not make that next step.

But that's the thing - in order to make progress year-over-year you have three roster options:

A) Hope your young players get better
B) Make trades for impact players
C) Sign free agents

Most of the Flames improvement has come from A. These days, B isn't really much of an option in this league, especially when you're as asset-poor as the Flames are.

That leaves C. And to get an above-average UFA signed, you have to pay through the nose. That's just the way it is. Don't want to give out generous contracts to ageing players? Then I guess you're not signing free agents. Better hope you have an outstanding drafting and development system to bring in multiple difference-makers onto your roster every season.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why are some posters making this about fans wanting him out when it's the owners that haven't re-upped him? Has a single person here said they hope he doesn't get an extension?

How did I make it about fans? What are you talking about?

[Matt Reeeeead]

This will likely get done quietly. No reason from either side to move on.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This may often be true but if you didn't hire the right person, you certainly don't keep them around just for the sake of consistency.

Would the Flames be better today with Feaster, Weisbrod and Hartley still running the show?

Hence why I said he has shown competence. Even Treliving's worst moves are comparable to Feaster's best.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah I just don't share your optimism here. I don't think this team is remotely close to being a cup contender. Johnson has been great as a short term fix but until the goaltending situation gets sorted out I'm not convinced the playoffs are going to be in the picture for a while. Sooner or later the Jets will fire Maurice and once that happens I expect they will ascend. The Oilers seem to have at least taken the step to being a team in the mix for a bottom seed. I look at the Flames roster and I just don't see the skill in the forward ranks to match those two teams.

The best players still need to show up as a unit, we had the most dreadful start ever.... and we're still sitting in a playoff spot. If you don't see anything optimistic short-term or long-term perspective, that's on you

[kukkudo]

I like what Treliving has done so far but if they miss the playoffs this year I think he will be on a short leash. Pretty much would have to show ownership what his game plan is going into 2017-2018 season.

Again this is if they miss the playoffs.