Treliving w/o contract for next year

[shotinthebacklund]

it would be insane to not have treliving return. For some fans though they always think the grass is greener elsewhere. For me Treliving checks all the box's of what a GM should do and then some. Biggest of all, I have full confidence in his direction and "process"

[MarkGio]

Right now its hard to evaluate any GM properly since nobody in the league is willing to make any moves. While I don't know how to look it up, but surely this year must have broken the record of fewest NHL trades in modern NHL history. So what can Treliving really do, now that free agency is over? He can fire/hire coaches, shuffle about 35 contracts within the organization, and claim any waivers or sign any unqualified free agents. IMO, Treliving has 5 important dates where he shows what he can do this year:

1) Trade Deadline
2) College Free Agency
3) Expansion draft
4) Entry Draft
5) Free Agency

I think by July 10th the Flames organization will be able to tell if Treliving is right for the job. Until then, it's impossible to determine if he's capable of addressing the current issues.

[868904]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Right, but why did he demand a trade? Probably because Burke publicly insulted the kid on the radio of all places.

That's like going up to your best talent in your workplace and calling him lazy in a safety meeting while everyone is listening, and then wonder why he wants to quit and is now working for the competition. The trade return was un-winnable even though the return wasn't too bad, its the fact that we HAD to trade him is what bothers me.

Why do people keep dumping this on Burke?

Burke doesn't dictate who plays and who sits? He doesn't dictate who gets sent down and who makes the team.

The coach does all of that. The coach was Hartley. It was Hartley that didn't give Sven "enough love", which soured the relationship.

The guy that Sven had to deal with on a daily basis and who "turned him off" on the organization was Hartley. Burke had barely anything to do with it; he was the President, he was barely even in town.

[Erick Estrada]

While I do believe the team's trajectory has tapered off a little over the past few seasons due to the trend of getting bigger, slower, and less skilled, I feel he's a bright young GM that is hopefully learning from his mistakes as he goes. I imagine this is just one of those things that will get taken care of between now and the offseason.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Right, but why did he demand a trade? Probably because Burke publicly insulted the kid on the radio of all places.

That's like going up to your best talent in your workplace and calling him lazy in a safety meeting while everyone is listening, and then wonder why he wants to quit and is now working for the competition. The trade return was un-winnable even though the return wasn't too bad, its the fact that we HAD to trade him is what bothers me.

It was constructive criticism, not a public insult. Come on, this has been discussed to death. Do you really want to keep a player who is so mentally weak that he can't handle being told he needs to work harder in all 3 zones?

[Finger Cookin]

I'll be absolutely stunned if Treliving isn't given a multiyear extension.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think he has done enough to warrant another year. I don't agree with all the things he has done, but unless there is some home-run exec lined up to take the spot, I don't see why they wouldn't extend Treliving for another 2 years.

I think you have to give 2 years though, because giving 1 year sends the message that they are on thin ice and some start making desperation moves. Then again, Treliving is apparently not signed next year and seems pretty calm based on his moves, so that might not apply to him.

[t0rrent98]

Ken King needs to be without a contract. His lack of vision for a better looking jersey is disturbing if he is in fact in charge of that stuff.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

While I do believe the team's trajectory has tapered off a little over the past few seasons due to the trend of getting bigger, slower, and less skilled, I feel he's a bright young GM that is hopefully learning from his mistakes as he goes. I imagine this is just one of those things that will get taken care of between now and the offseason.

What skill have the Flames lost in the last few seasons? Byron lol

[Northendzone]

we lost two games this weekend......so my question is what ahs he done lately

[icecube]

Originally Posted by t0rrent98

Ken King needs to be without a contract. His lack of vision for a better looking jersey is disturbing if he is in fact in charge of that stuff.

Someone will inevitably come in and say that is a small and silly reason to want to be rid of the Flames president. But they would be wrong! It's a great reason. EXCELLENT JERSEYS FOR NEXT SEASON OR BUST.

[YYC in LAX]

6 x 6?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What skill have the Flames lost in the last few seasons? Byron lol

Hudler's skill never got replaced and it's a big reason Gaudreau and Monahan have slumped. Losing Byron did hurt the team speed for sure. He's coming off a pretty poor offseason where the goaltending situation (not all his fault as most of us would have expected more of Elliott) is still not sorted out and I don't consider adding guys like Grossmann, Versteeg and Brouwer as astute team building. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for learning on the job but he needs to be better as there have also been a few wasted 2nd round picks in Hunter Smith and McDonald along the way that haven't helped bolster organizational depth.

The worst offense by far IMO was not even contacting Brue Boudreau. I don't care if Treliving was under an assumption that he wouldn't be his type of guy, as you still have to at least get him in a room and talk about what his vision would be for your team. It's rare that a coach of his status is available and for Treliving to not even kick the tires is simply poor management. Just look at what the Wild are doing under him. You can afford to miss the odd draft pick and trade but when you miss on a coaching hire that typically costs an organization 2-3 years. Not saying Gulutzan is a failure yet but there's no doubt in my mind they team would be in a better position today if they hired Boudreau.

[killer_carlson]

I'm ok with waiting to see how the season unfolds.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What skill have the Flames lost in the last few seasons? Byron lol

Glencross

[bubbsy]

He has his good (hamilton trade), his bad (byron, drafting of macdonald/smith in 2nd round) and his quesitonables (3 goalie issues last year, not selling high on wideman, training camp this year) but all in all i think he's a young and up&coming GM. I'd be fine seeing him GM this team for another few years. Unless there are absolute signs of idiocy or lack of vision, it almost seems unfair to fire a guy before 5 years to see the fruits of the plan.

also, someone called him the best flames gm in his short tenure in this thread, and then others mention fletcher (rightfully so). I'd like to just throw Sutter's name as one of the better GMs the team has ever had. Turned the franchise around after 7 years of nada. Then had them in the playoffs for half a decade, the longest run the franchise has seen since the glory days of the 80s.

[D as in David]

On the wrong side of 25; he has to go.

[kukkudo]

I have a feeling we will see some surprise GM firings this off-season. I would just wait till the off-season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hudler's skill never got replaced and it's a big reason Gaudreau and Monahan have slumped. Losing Byron did hurt the team speed for sure. He's coming off a pretty poor offseason where the goaltending situation (not all his fault as most of us would have expected more of Elliott) is still not sorted out and I don't consider adding guys like Grossmann, Versteeg and Brouwer as astute team building. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for learning on the job but he needs to be better as there have also been a few wasted 2nd round picks in Hunter Smith and McDonald along the way that haven't helped bolster organizational depth.

The worst offense by far IMO was not even contacting Brue Boudreau. I don't care if Treliving was under an assumption that he wouldn't be his type of guy, as you still have to at least get him in a room and talk about what his vision would be for your team. It's rare that a coach of his status is available and for Treliving to not even kick the tires is simply poor management. Just look at what the Wild are doing under him. You can afford to miss the odd draft pick and trade but when you miss on a coaching hire that typically costs an organization 2-3 years. Not saying Gulutzan is a failure yet but there's no doubt in my mind they team would be in a better position today if they hired Boudreau.

Boudreau is also working with a roster that is better than Calgary currently and has the 2nd best goalie in the NHL

Hudler and Byron really? Hudler wasn't doing much with the Flames last season either. Flames need more skill to be sure but they certainly aren't moving backwards. Versteeg is a better player than Hudler right now

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

While I do believe the team's trajectory has tapered off a little over the past few seasons due to the trend of getting bigger, slower, and less skilled, I feel he's a bright young GM that is hopefully learning from his mistakes as he goes. I imagine this is just one of those things that will get taken care of between now and the offseason.

Less skilled by moving out Glencross, Baertschi, Max Reinhart, Granlund, Hudler, Russell, Jones , Sieloff. LOL.

Derp.