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Old 01-15-2017, 11:51 AM   #201
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Thought T.J. Brodie was excellent last night and the Flames best player. Shutting down McDavid isn't easy but Brodie can skate like the wind and was able to keep up with 97 all night.
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Just a question as a casual observer, but I see all this talk about the Wideman effect, but the Flames have the 7th most PP opportunities. How does that fit into the narrative?
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Just a question as a casual observer, but I see all this talk about the Wideman effect, but the Flames have the 7th most PP opportunities. How does that fit into the narrative?
Even ups. Again, tin foil hat time, but flames get pps late in the game. They've also played the most games, so they're most pp against per game after being lowest the prior two years. They are middle of the pack in pp opportunities per game
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Even ups. Again, tin foil hat time, but flames get pps late in the game. They've also played the most games, so they're most pp against per game after being lowest the prior two years. They are middle of the pack in pp opportunities per game
Looks like Colorado is on the PK most times per game (3.85) and we're 29th (3.70). In terms of PP, we're 12th at 3.22.
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Looks like Colorado is on the PK most times per game (3.85) and we're 29th (3.70). In terms of PP, we're 12th at 3.22.
Avs have the most ex flames. This goes deeper than we think.

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Until they do, the coaches need to do a better job of preparing the players for the 3-on-3. Hartley did an excellent job the first year it was implemented, but last night they looked unstructured and tentative.

The 3-on-3 is all about possession, the long change, and odd-man rushes. By logging the puck back into the neutral zone, you can look to exploit bad positioning; you can also change off your guys while tiring out the other guys stuck in their own zone (line changes are absolutely crucial and Dougie didn't get off quick enough on his change, resulting in the breakaway). They actually had a terrific play when they passed it back to Elliott -- he baited in the Oilers player and boom: it's 3 against 2 coming back. Only an errant pass foiled that play, and it resulted in another Oilers cycle because Gio was tired and couldn't change (see above).
I don't think it's prep or structure, they were just completely gassed, imo.
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I couldn't believe the lack of urgency from Mony and Gaudreau in the shootout. No speed no nothing. Just a leasurely skate into Talbot.

C'mon guys put some effort into your ####ing plays!
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Skating fast does not mean you are putting more effort into a shootout than someone skating slow. Having a plan, skill, and some precision can overcome "effort".
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Just a thought to try and get the offence going.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk
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Ferland/Bouma-Hamilton-Hathaway/Chiasson

With injuries Ferland and Chiasson can move up and down the line up.

I know you don't want to mess with the 3M line but we need to get Gaudreau going. He is the key to this team making the playoffs. Also Bennett is going to be a full time center but right now he needs to get some confidence back and work on his game a bit without the other responsibilities of playing at Center.

The defense is what it is until the summer.
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Until they do, the coaches need to do a better job of preparing the players for the 3-on-3. Hartley did an excellent job the first year it was implemented, but last night they looked unstructured and tentative.

The 3-on-3 is all about possession, the long change, and odd-man rushes. By logging the puck back into the neutral zone, you can look to exploit bad positioning; you can also change off your guys while tiring out the other guys stuck in their own zone (line changes are absolutely crucial and Dougie didn't get off quick enough on his change, resulting in the breakaway). They actually had a terrific play when they passed it back to Elliott -- he baited in the Oilers player and boom: it's 3 against 2 coming back. Only an errant pass foiled that play, and it resulted in another Oilers cycle because Gio was tired and couldn't change (see above).
Interesting the way the oilers rotated the change (unexpectedly) at the blue line so the Flames bench being further away couldn't get guys on to the bench and back into the defensive zone quick enough. It left the Flames gassed and confused.
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Care to elaborate how many experienced refs they lost? Actually interested.
Great site:
http://scoutingtherefs.com/2016/12/1...injury-report/

Also you can just search "injured" there for other stories. Twitter feed as well.
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Johnny had a chance in OT to go right to the net instead he passed back, kid is fighting himself.
I don't know what he's doing out there sometimes. He skates up ice, looks like a play will develop off the rush but then he hesitates making a pass forward or getting it to the net, and instead stops/turns back, gets pressured by the d-man, seemingly panics and passes it off to a player behind or beside him, if he doesn't have it turned over or taken away.

He's waaaay overthinking it every time he comes into possession of the puck. When he can't make things happen in OT you know he's not feeling it. That's his bread and butter. Normally he can dance through teams at will with that much ice.
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This is absolutely, 100% false.

- Kypreos had a small segment discussing how much better the Flames defence were than the Oilers.
- the broadcast discussed, on multiple occasions, what an incredible season Backlund is having.
- Gaudreau was always mentioned in the same breath as McDavid, even though McDavid is having the better season
- in Overtime, Randorf gets noticeably excited when Gaudreau had the puck, saying "this guy can end it here", even though nothing was really happening on the play.

It gets tiresome when half the comments before, during and after a Flames vs (insert any Canadian team) game are like this. Yes, to have a balanced broadcast, you need to also praise the other team.
Absolutely 100% false?

No - maybe a little misgiving to the "balance", but the PbP (Kypreos is not part of that) sections were overly Oileresque. Way more commentary on them than the Flames. Cassie was clearly on "Oiler watch" as most of her comments were about who was in the clear - and was missed by whom - or the great play that somebody made away from the play. Randorf, as mentioned, often got hyperexcited when an Oiler almost did something worthwhile. Yes - he did occasionally when a Flame did too - though seldom to the same extent.

Gaudreau was not "always" mentioned in the same breath as He Who is the Saviour of the Oilers. Sometimes, yes, mostly no - and mostly at the beginning of the periods.

Still, nauseating on a "national" broadcast.

It will be interesting to see how the broadcast is run next week when the game is in Calgary.
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Also you can just search "injured" there for other stories. Twitter feed as well.
So only a handful of new refs, in a 30 team league. I don't buy the theory that new refs are the cause of the frequent bad calls. We have routinely had veteran refs make terrible calls against the Flames and not calling obvious penalties against the opposition.
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Old 01-15-2017, 06:26 PM   #214
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Just a thought to try and get the offence going.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk
Bennett-Backlund-Frolik
Versteeg-Stajan-Brouwer
Ferland/Bouma-Hamilton-Hathaway/Chiasson

With injuries Ferland and Chiasson can move up and down the line up.

I know you don't want to mess with the 3M line but we need to get Gaudreau going. He is the key to this team making the playoffs. Also Bennett is going to be a full time center but right now he needs to get some confidence back and work on his game a bit without the other responsibilities of playing at Center.

The defense is what it is until the summer.
Yep. This team has to try something different like this at this point. Scoring has dried up too much.
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Thought T.J. Brodie was excellent last night and the Flames best player. Shutting down McDavid isn't easy but Brodie can skate like the wind and was able to keep up with 97 all night.
He was stellar last night. IMO easily his best game of the season. Shut down McD all night and ripped a shot off the post. Hopefully he can find his groove and keep it up.

I think the lack of goal scoring from the game last night is being a tad bit overblown. The Flames hit 3 posts. If those go in, it's a 4-1 game and no one is bringing up the offence in this thread. It was a game of inches last night.

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He was stellar last night. IMO easily his best game of the season. Shut down McD all night and ripped a shot off the post. Hopefully he can find his groove and keep it up.

I think the lack of goal scoring from the game last night is being a tad bit overblown. The Flames hit 3 posts. If those go in, it's a 4-1 game and no one is bringing up the offence in this thread. It was a game of inches last night.
I don't think it is. Yes granted it could've been 4-1 if those 3 posts were goals, but this team's offence has been drying up a lot over the past few games with basically the same lines.

It's time to change up these lines and try something else for a few games or at least a few periods. It's time for something different.

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The offence needs a boost, and after Friday and Saturday's losses, Calgary's out of the playoff position if LA or Nashville each win 1 or 2 of their 3 games in hand.

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Old 01-15-2017, 08:01 PM   #218
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The 5v5 offense is as anemic as it's been all season. Overall offense is down because the PP isn't running at 30% anymore.

The Flames have struggled to score at 5v5 all year, and with the overall level of talent at forward I'm not surprised. The defense needs to be used like the weapon that it is. GG has 3 of the better offensive d-men in the league and he has them playing shutdown hockey. I can't really blame him because the Flames are winning but the games are just so boring sometimes.
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Flames need to start racking up the points. 2 pts from being knocked out of the Wildcard spot with teams catching up very quickly.

The NHL mandated bye week is coming up in a few weeks for the Flames which could really put a hamper on the WC race

Anaheim Ducks: February 26 - March 2nd

Arizona Coyotes: January 8-12

Calgary Flames: February 8-12

Edmonton Oilers: Feb 6-10

LA Kings: February 10-14

San Jose Sharks: February 20-24

Vancouver Canucks: February 20-24
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Every team in the west is also getting a bye week, not sure how that puts a hamper on the WC race.
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