2017 Trade Deadline Prediction: First Calgary Flames Player Traded

[dino7c]

Flames are not trading younger players for picks

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames are not trading younger players for picks

what's the definition of younger players?

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Engelland for 2x2nd round picks
Elliot for a 2nd and conditional 3rd
Versteeg for a 3rd
Backlund for a 1st and a 3rd

None of these is going to happen.

Engelland would be hard pressed to get a single second. Kris Russell, who many in the media (and clearly the league) over rate only netted a 2nd (conditionally a 1st), how does Engelland get 2 2nds? I love Engelland, but if someone gives the Flames 2 2nds for him then you jump, but just not going to happen for a 5th/6th d-man who's a UFA.

Have you watched Elliott play? No way you get anything of value for him, certainly not 2 picks in the first 3 rounds, definitely not a second. A conditional 3rd maybe, but unlikely.

Versteeg is the closest to being plausible, but seeing as he could have been signed by anyone, I am hard pressed to see a team now giving up a 3rd for him.

Why would anyone want to trade Backlund? Like someone said, 10 years of development, quite possibly the most under rated player in the league, and you suggest that he gets traded? Not to mention, he has probably been the Flames best player this year, is under contract for another year, and likely a big part of the future beyond that.

Threads like this make my head hurt. Everyone over values what the Flames are worth and undervalues what it takes to get other players (I was guilty on that re: Hanzal and have corrected myself).

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by zukes

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Threads like this make my head hurt. ....

Did you read the question in the original post?

[Flame19,289]

Chiasson

(In a deal for Ryan Strome, pretty please?)

[Itse]

Probably we'll be about where we're now at trade deadline, which is "likely but not certain to make the playoffs". That's a position where usually relatively few moves of significance are made.

Elliott is very unlikely to go anywhere. He might have not played great, but he's still more than adequate as a backup, which is more than what we know of our AHL goalies, and something we'll need anyway. I also don't see why other teams would be that interested in him, even for a short while.

Engelland or Wideman seem by far the most likely players to move listed on the OP. Considering we're technically just as interested in defensive depth as any other team, it would probably take a serious overpayment for someone to get either one, but since it's trade deadline we're talking about, serious overpayment could happen. One can hope (Not that I have anything against either guy staying or even re-signing them for a reasonable price.)

Someone suggested Bouma, and that would seem very possible. Not a lot of value, but sometimes teams are looking for a player they can put on the 4th line and not worry about. Bouma can play that role.

But I'm going to go with Wideman, mostly because he's got name recognition, and that seems to play a role when GM's get desperate.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

But don't you have your back up in Elliott. Based on your assesment, and I agree, why would the Flames move him, just to go out and find another back up. He's not going to generate much return at this point, and aren't you just going to turn around give up whatever he returns you to get another back up?

It be the equivalent of a card shuffle to end up at the exact same spot, only the names have changed. If the Flames are sellers, then yes have at it, if they look like they are going to make it, we can do much worse than Elliott as back up going into the playoff push.

Just my guess that Elliott would not want to be a back-up.
If he does then problem solved, let's improve our right wing.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Monahan is signed at $6.375M for seven seasons. Chances of him being the first player traded this season are pretty much 0%.

Yet you think Backlund, the leading scorer and MVP of this team so far this season finally hitting his stride, or a 20 year old Bennett in his second year, highest draft pick in the history of the Flames could be moved?

[Fire]

Elliott - Will not be traded. The Flames will need a veteran goalie if they want to make the playoffs themselves.

Backlund - You are right, he's probably at his peak, but trading Backlund moves the Flames from a potential playoff team to a guaranteed non-playoff team. Without Backlund this season the Flames are a bottom 10 team.

Bennett - Not going to happen unless he asks for a trade. If he reaches his potential he is exactly the type of player the Flames need.

Engelland - They are not trading him when the Flames are in playoff contention. Just not going to happen.

Wideman - Only player on your list that has a chance to be traded, but the likely return would be a 3rd rounder at the very best. Not worth it when he provides depth for the Flames playoff run.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Yet you think Backlund, the leading scorer and MVP of this team so far this season finally hitting his stride, or a 20 year old Bennett in his second year, highest draft pick in the history of the Flames could be moved?

No. In fact, I specifically said that I am not suggesting a Bennett trade.

I considered the list of players who reasonably could in trade discussions by the trade deadline and stated my logic in picking them. Any upcoming UFA is a legitimate trade subject. Of all the players on my list, I guessed that Elliott would be traded first. Then, I asked who do you think will be the first player traded and why?

Seems to be a relatively easy question to answer if you have an opinion on it. Player's name, your reasons. Period. Yet, you and a few others insist on picking a fight over who should be traded or not.

[Corral]

i find it incredible that the Flames finally have a depth scoring line behind the #1 line, and some people think we should trade its centre ???? Not going to happen. And i think Backlund would sign a team friendly deal to enjoy some playoff success here.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

what's the definition of younger players?

I mean they would trade Bouma for picks my bad...not really what I meant

they are NOT trading Backlund or Bennett picks is what I was getting at

[Imported_Aussie]

What do teams in a playoff spot shop for at the deadline?
#4/5 D and middle 6 forwards.

So while teams will want the players mentioned, if the Flames remain in a playoff spot, they will want them too. You also don't want to shed a veteran goalie before a playoff run - Johnson is playing great, but he's no Carey Price. If he slips, Elliott could come in.

Expansion also changes the landscape, as draft picks and exempt players are worth more, but prospects who are expansion eligible (i.e. Shinkaruk, Poirier, Culkin etc.) are less valuable for a team to take, unless they have super bare cupboards, or have a guy who it is clear would be taken instead.

If I was to see a guy getting traded who is on the NHL roster now, it would probably be Bouma, as to me he is not one of the best 12 forwards on the team. But he has another year, and that would make him a hard sell.

The only way that makes sense to me is if they sell Bouma to free up a spot for a guy to plug into the top 9 acquired in a different deal.

I don't see any D being moved, and I see a shrinking market for older prospects until after expansion settles down.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by zukes

None of these is going to happen.

Engelland would be hard pressed to get a single second. Kris Russell, who many in the media (and clearly the league) over rate only netted a 2nd (conditionally a 1st), how does Engelland get 2 2nds? I love Engelland, but if someone gives the Flames 2 2nds for him then you jump, but just not going to happen for a 5th/6th d-man who's a UFA.

Russell netted almost a 1st round pick and a young NHL roster player and a lower tier prospect. 2 x 2nd round picks would be a lesser return in my opinion than a 1st + young roster player. This would be the same return as Douglas Murray received 2 x 2nd round picks just 4 years ago and was a worse defender at the time I believe than Engelland is now, but fulfilling the same type of role. Jeff Petry was moved for a 2nd and a 5th 2 years ago. Eric Gelinas got a 3rd last year and he stinks.

Have you watched Elliott play? No way you get anything of value for him, certainly not 2 picks in the first 3 rounds, definitely not a second. A conditional 3rd maybe, but unlikely.

Elliot is an established veteran goalie as a pending UFA, those guys always have value to a team headed to the post season.

Versteeg is the closest to being plausible, but seeing as he could have been signed by anyone, I am hard pressed to see a team now giving up a 3rd for him.

He's playing better than he has in a couple of seasons in my opinion and has a sub 1 million dollar cap hit making him attractive to any team looking to add a bit of offensive depth heading into the playoffs as his cap hit is almost inconsequential in regards to making other moves as well. Adding Versteeg doesn't really prevent you from adding a more significant piece.

Why would anyone want to trade Backlund?

Because I don't think he fits into the cap structure of the future flames roster and he may have more value with a year left on his deal than as a pending UFA, and it might not even be to a playoff team. If Arizona moves Hanzal there may be a fit to the Yotes for example.

[GioforPM]

The Flames could more likely be buyers, not sellers. If you want to make a run, you need Elliott, Engelland and Wideman. And Treliving (and Burke) won't want to be stupid on trade deadline day, so my expectations are pretty minimal.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Elliott back to STL.

quite a bit of talk here on St. Louis sports radio on how Jake Allen and Brian Elliott worked really well together and pushed each other, whereas on their own, neither are doing well. Not necessarily talking about getting Elliott back, but getting someone like him to help push Allen

[Strange Brew]

Engelland has some trade value, Wideman little if any. Thing is, if team is in the playoff hunt I dont see how they can survive by losing any defensemen give the lack of depth.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

No. In fact, I specifically said that I am not suggesting a Bennett trade.

I considered the list of players who reasonably could in trade discussions by the trade deadline and stated my logic in picking them. Any upcoming UFA is a legitimate trade subject. Of all the players on my list, I guessed that Elliott would be traded first. Then, I asked who do you think will be the first player traded and why?

Seems to be a relatively easy question to answer if you have an opinion on it. Player's name, your reasons. Period. Yet, you and a few others insist on picking a fight over who should be traded or not.

Except you left off a bunch of players and then when I suggested I would trade Monahan before Backlund or Bennett you told me there was "pretty much 0%" chance of him being moved.

I'd say there is pretty much 0% chance that Backlund or Bennett will be moved.

Since you don't like the discussion on who shouldn't be moved, and call it picking a fight, I will choose Bouma as my player.

Oh, I mean...

Player's name: Lance Bouma

Your reasons: Hathaway and Ferland are the same type of energy player and I believe they bring more than Lance Bouma at a cheaper price tag.

[CaptainYooh]

See, it wasn't that difficult.

My point, there is plenty of room on CP to fight over who should and who shouldn't be traded. This thread is only about your prediction of who's reasonably going out first.

[N-E-B]

I think Wideman will be the only guy to go. Bennett and Backlund aren't going anywhere.