What is up with Sam Bennett???

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Ruttiger

Further proven by those crowning him the superior draft pick to Draisaitl a few years back. He could still be, who knows? But it's a long game projecting players as teenagers. I think he'll be alright but not sure he'll ever become a #1 centre. Might be better fit for the wing like Gagner.

Or like Leon Draisaitl who is currently playing the wing...?

[Flash Walken]

Who ####ing cares about draisaitl anyway?

Are there actually posters besides textcritic who are using draisaitl comparison when analyzing Bennett?

[Vinny01]

Definitely want to hold onto Bennett before moving him. Don't have any desire to move our highest pick from the rebuild because he is not lighting the league on fire before he is 21.

We should hold onto our top 4 forwards for the future (Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Tkachuk) as well as Hamilton. Those 5 assets the Flames should have off the table in trade talks

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who ####ing cares about draisaitl anyway?

Are there actually posters besides textcritic who are using draisaitl comparison when analyzing Bennett?

no kidding, its not like the Flames passed on him to pick Bennett anyway

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Lol...he's halfway through his 2nd full NHL season FFS

When is an appropriate time to make projections on his play, his 3rd season? Season 10? After his career is over?

I like Bennett the player but I don't think he is the same tier prospect as Monahan was or tkachuk is. I think thus far that is pretty obvious considering Monahan is a multiple 30 goal scorer and tkachuk is already outproducing Bennett while brining a better term game at the same time.

The key with trades is correctly identifying your asset before someone else does.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When is an appropriate time to make projections on his play, his 3rd season? Season 10? After his career is over?

I like Bennett the player but I don't think he is the same tier prospect as Monahan was or tkachuk is. I think thus far that is pretty obvious considering Monahan is a multiple 30 goal scorer and tkachuk is already outproducing Bennett while brining a better term game at the same time.

The key with trades is correctly identifying your asset before someone else does.

It's definitely not during a 2nd season when the player has missed a year due to injury and is learning to play centre in a top six role in the NHL.

Again, grossly premature.

And it's not so much the suggestion, it's the tone hinting you're the smartest guy in the room for being one of the only few who sees it, suggesting most other fans are only interested in trading fringe players.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Tkachuk has also found a steady home on the wing of two of our best two-way forwards who are having career years. Now he hasn't looked out of place at all but Tkachuk will have his struggles. Matthew has had fairly normalized linemates while Bennett didn't, bounced from wing to the middle, and Sam's 18 goals will probably beat Tkachuk's end of season total. Albeit not by much.

Both Monahan and Tkachuk were mature - physically - coming out of junior who easily adapted to the NHL game and grind. Bennett had and still has some catching up to do there.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

It's definitely not during a 2nd season when the player has missed a year due to injury and is learning to play centre in a top six role in the NHL.

Again, grossly premature.

And it's not so much the suggestion, it's the tone hinting you're the smartest guy in the room for being one of the only few who sees it, suggesting most other fans are only interested in trading fringe players.

Can you find me a trade proposal on Calgary puck that includes Bennett? I haven't seen one, but admittedly don't read many trade proposals closely.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Can you find me a trade proposal on Calgary puck that includes Bennett? I haven't seen one, but admittedly don't read many trade proposals closely.

What does that have to do with anything? Aside from underlining how asinine an idea it is?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Can you find me a trade proposal on Calgary puck that includes Bennett? I haven't seen one, but admittedly don't read many trade proposals closely.

Geez, that type of reply doesn't help you out in the "Smartest guy in the room" accusation.

This was hilariously posted ten minutes ago btw
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=211

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

What does that have to do with anything?

If most of the board isn't interested in trading fringe players it should be easy to find trade proposals that include core players.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When is an appropriate time to make projections on his play, his 3rd season? Season 10? After his career is over?

I like Bennett the player but I don't think he is the same tier prospect as Monahan was or tkachuk is. I think thus far that is pretty obvious considering Monahan is a multiple 30 goal scorer and tkachuk is already outproducing Bennett while brining a better term game at the same time.

The key with trades is correctly identifying your asset before someone else does.

Considering that he's spent that entire rookie season on the wing, I'd say at least a couple seasons at center to get a better sense of his career projection. Alex Galchenyuk wasn't playing center until the beginning of the 2015 season and he was a 2012 draftee.

That's only one step of identifying that you have an asset. So you have an asset that is desirable by other teams and you want to sell as low as possible on him? I don't get it.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If most of the board isn't interested in trading fringe players it should be easy to find trade proposals that include core players.

lol, wow.

Yea, that must be it.

Sorry, your idea that Bennett won't be a top six forward and should be traded is now confirmed as a genius idea. Kudos on being the lone wolf who has the guise to see it.

For your information, the link above with someone suggesting Bennett could be trade bait is from the same page as someone else trumpeting we trade Brodie. There are a fair share of suggestions we trade core players all year, every year. It's just the vast majority of them (not unlike yours) are out on a limb for a reason.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

lol, wow.

Yea, that must be it.

Sorry, your idea that Bennett won't be a top six forward and should be traded is now confirmed as a genius idea. Kudos on being the lone wolf who has the guise to see it.

For your information, the link above with someone suggesting Bennett could be trade bait is from the same page as someone else trumpeting we trade Brodie. There are a fair share of suggestions we trade core players all year, every year. It's just the vast majority of them (not unlike yours) are out on a limb for a reason.

This is the predictable way this was going to go. You are frothing so much to prove me wrong you are arguing positions I've never taken while ignoring my actual positions.

I am not making myself out to be the smartest guy in the room, just talking about team building and asset analysis.

Please tell me which of the young core group you would move over Bennett?

My position is that Monahan, gaudreau, Brodie, tkachuk and Hamilton are more important to the future of the roster than Bennett. If you disagree, please tell me which player from that group you would be prepared to trade instead of Bennett?

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

My position is that Monahan, gaudreau, Brodie, tkachuk and Hamilton are more important to the future of the roster than Bennett. If you disagree, please tell me which player from that group you would be prepared to trade instead of Bennett?

Why do you have to trade any of them? The Flames should build around this young group, not be actively trying to trade them.

Of course any good GM would always be listening to offers and no one is untradeable, but for the team to be actively shopping any of these guys at this point doesn't make sense.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This is the predictable way this was going to go. You are frothing so much to prove me wrong you are arguing positions I've never taken while ignoring my actual positions.

I am not making myself out to be the smartest guy in the room, just talking about team building and asset analysis.

You smugly proclaimed that if you're not the only one who suggests trading core players that I could provide examples. There's two from the last 30 minutes alone.

Again, that just underlines that it's not some secretly astute notion... it's out on a limb. For a reason.

Which brings us to to:

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Please tell me which of the young core group you would move over Bennett?

My position is that Monahan, gaudreau, Brodie, tkachuk and Hamilton are more important to the future of the roster than Bennett. If you disagree, please tell me which player from that group you would be prepared to trade instead of Bennett?

I wouldn't move any member of that young core. That's why it's a core. It's an assembly of our most valued young pieces.

The idea is to build around it. Not be forced to spit-ball which one of them (if any) isn't going to pan out to move in a shot-in-the-dark trade.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

The Flames won't be serious contenders until they have a legit #1 center.

As much as we all hope that Monahan or Bennett will fill that spot, the reality is neither one is anywhere close to that this year and there is a very real possibility neither guy ever becomes that.

i think Bennett is better suited as a winger even tho of course it'd be better if he's a C.

The big cause of concern is he looked his best his rookie year and has regressed ever since. Definitely trending in the wrong direction.

Man do I hate that word 'regressed'. Gets tossed around like candy from a pinata. Pretty easy to say he looked his best in his rookie season....when his rookie season was last year. He has a total of two seasons to judge his play on. Two. So of course now that he's having a bit of a sophomore slump, its easy to say he's 'regressed'.

Do people honestly think that his rookie season will be his best season in his entire career? I certainly don't. I don't think management does either. Just have to be patient with him.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This is the predictable way this was going to go. You are frothing so much to prove me wrong you are arguing positions I've never taken while ignoring my actual positions.

I am not making myself out to be the smartest guy in the room, just talking about team building and asset analysis.

Please tell me which of the young core group you would move over Bennett?

My position is that Monahan, gaudreau, Brodie, tkachuk and Hamilton are more important to the future of the roster than Bennett. If you disagree, please tell me which player from that group you would be prepared to trade instead of Bennett?

Your whole "team building and asset analysis" schtick falls flat on its face when A.) You fail to acknowledge that the trade you suggested leaves another gaping wide open just to plug a hole elsewhere, B.) You fail to properly appraise the value of that asset.

You badgering the boards to answer your strawman question of which core pieces are more important (in the context of right now) does nothing to change any of that.

[calgaryblood]

If the Flames do have to move a piece of the core for cap reasons I seriously doubt it'll be Bennett who is likely looking at a bridge contract in the $2.5 million dollar range.

He won't be a cap issue for at least 3 years so don't see why we'd have to trade him.

Usually when a core piece needs to be traded it's because they will be asking for too much and the team simply has to get value for them before they become too expensive to keep.

Bennett will not be expensive when he re-signs.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Do people honestly think that his rookie season will be his best season in his entire career? I certainly don't. I don't think management does either. Just have to be patient with him.

Not saying his rookie year will be his best but saying there is concern when a young guy continually looks worse instead of better for 18 months and counting.

It might just be a "sophomore slump" but it may also be an indication he won't turn out to be the elite player we hope/think he will be.