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			Clean hit, but the league may suspend him due to it being predatory.  Yes, people need to keep their head up, but the league clearly wants to eliminate hits where guys take advantage of a player that is vulnerable. 
   
 Looked to me like their helmets may have hit.  Clearly the first and primary contact was the chest, but Laine's head may have then hit McCabe's.  Then it also looked like the back of Laine's head may have hit the ice.   
   
 Either one of those things may have concussed him.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 07:29 PM
			
			
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				Been that way for 10+ years. 
			
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Or 40+ 
Been that way forever, as if should be
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 07:30 PM
			
			
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				I agree with you... I bet though that if Johnny was hit like that, sadly, none of the Flames would respond like that. 
			
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Was thinking the exact same thing.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 07:34 PM
			
			
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				Been that way for 70+ years but people are pretending it's a new thing 
			
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Sorry missed this when I posted above.  
Exactly correct.  
Anybody who says otherwise didn't watch then or is pretending otherwise.  
And why can't you have both? A huge, clean open ice hit, and someone jumping in to stand up for a teammate.  
Silly to think otherwise, really.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 07:49 PM
			
			
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			Was that a big hit?! Maybe I had a few too many before seeing the highlights but that seemed like a pretty common type of hit.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 08:04 PM
			
			
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				Was that a big hit?! Maybe I had a few too many before seeing the highlights but that seemed like a pretty common type of hit. 
			
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Agree.  Just a solid hit.  Nothing extraordinary.  Simply a solid guy who is planted vs a moving slighter guy and physics takes over.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 09:01 PM
			
			
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			I think it was more the result, Laine was on the ice for a while and bambied to the bench
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 09:29 PM
			
			
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				This is why i'm starting to prefer NFL to NHL. taking all the physicality out with cheap retaliations every time there is any big hit has ruined the game. I miss guys like Stevens and Regher.  I barely even cheer at hockey games now, there isnt really anything to get excited about just watching players cycle endlessly with no hits and just possession play. its like soccer on ice. 
			
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I hate to break it to you but the NFL has already put rules in place banning predatory hits. And the uproar from football fans has far exceeded hockey fans complaining about it becoming a finesse game.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-07-2017, 10:29 PM
			
			
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				If it's not okay to jump people on the street, why is it okay in hockey ? That stuff is for bitches who can't fight and want an unfair advantage. Men go toe to toe. 
			
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It's also not ok for people on the street to: 
-Shoot pucks at strangers at upwards of 90 MPH 
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-Dozens of other things you'll see in an NHL game
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			01-07-2017, 11:49 PM
			
			
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				Sorry missed this when I posted above.  
Exactly correct.  
Anybody who says otherwise didn't watch then or is pretending otherwise.  
And why can't you have both? A huge, clean open ice hit, and someone jumping in to stand up for a teammate.  
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Back in the day, line brawls would start up just because two guys chirped each other and then started a fight. This was when the whole line from one team fought a line from anotber, not just the 5 guys on the ice. Now a days some guy retaliates and only a few guys are in a scrum and sissy fans are like "Oh the humanity! Won't someone think of the children?!?"
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-08-2017, 12:43 AM
			
			
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				Back in the day, line brawls would start up just because two guys chirped each other and then started a fight. This was when the whole line from one team fought a line from anotber, not just the 5 guys on the ice. Now a days some guy retaliates and only a few guys are in a scrum and sissy fans are like "Oh the humanity! Won't someone think of the children?!?" 
			
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Ha exactly. Bench clearing brawls happened regularly,  on a whim. And now some people try to suggest that fighting a guy after a bit hit confirms the wussification of the game? Please...  
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			01-08-2017, 12:53 AM
			
			
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				Clean hit, but the league may suspend him due to it being predatory.  Yes, people need to keep their head up, but the league clearly wants to eliminate hits where guys take advantage of a player that is vulnerable. 
   
 Looked to me like their helmets may have hit.  Clearly the first and primary contact was the chest, but Laine's head may have then hit McCabe's.  Then it also looked like the back of Laine's head may have hit the ice.   
   
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I watched this hit repeatedly making sure what I saw, due soley to your comment. I cannot agree with your assessment at all. I see McCabe coming across the ice to pressure the puck (Shuffles), sees the puck come across to Laine and slams on the brakes and stuffs Laine into himself. 
 
Opportunistic? As all hell. You betchya. 
Predatory? Not even remotely.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			I suppose the reaction was to be expected in this day and age, but honestly I didn't even think it was a particularly hard hit, let alone one to be talked about at length.  Too bad that Laine was shaken up but really was a "meh" play.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-08-2017, 01:45 AM
			
			
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				This is why i'm starting to prefer NFL to NHL. taking all the physicality out with cheap retaliations every time there is any big hit has ruined the game. I miss guys like Stevens and Regher.  I barely even cheer at hockey games now, there isnt really anything to get excited about just watching players cycle endlessly with no hits and just possession play. its like soccer on ice. 
			
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Stevens and Regehr are completely different. Stevens was predatory and hit to injure. Regehr was great and using angles and the boards to lay hits but it was never predatory or designed to injure. It was all about separating player from puck. In my mind Regehr is the model of what physical play in the NHL should be all about while Stevens represents what it shouldn't be
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-08-2017, 01:57 AM
			
			
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			Too much complaining in here about Scheiffle fighting McCabe after the hit. Just like other posters have mentioned, if Gaudreau took a hit that big (clean or dirty), I think everyone in here would be all for Engelland, Hathaway, or Ferland beating the living hell out of the perpetrator.  
 
The hit was awesome, and the Jets sticking up for their star afterward was even better. I wish we saw more of this on our team so players like Kessler wouldn't have their way with Johnny.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			01-08-2017, 02:17 AM
			
			
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			wow.... dont even know what to say, the guy gets a text book stand up hit, and gets literally a whole line on his back... sorry your rookie didnt learn the mistakes of Eric lindros 15 years ago and has his head down going up the ice. 
 
If that deserves a line brawl then fata me right here and now... please tell me there were instigator penalties, that disgusts me....
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Too much complaining in here about Scheiffle fighting McCabe after the hit. Just like other posters have mentioned, if Gaudreau took a hit that big (clean or dirty), I think everyone in here would be all for Engelland, Hathaway, or Ferland beating the living hell out of the perpetrator.  
 
The hit was awesome, and the Jets sticking up for their star afterward was even better. I wish we saw more of this on our team so players like Kessler wouldn't have their way with Johnny. 
			
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sticking up for your team mates is one thing, a doggy pile on top trying to get a t guy who layeda clean hit is another
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			01-08-2017, 02:24 AM
			
			
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				sticking up for your team mates is one thing, a doggy pile on top trying to get a t guy who layeda clean hit is another 
			
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Watch the video again; I see only Scheiffle on McCabe and that's it. All of the other Jets had their own opponents. Looks like a damn good team sticking up for one of their own.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			01-08-2017, 02:34 AM
			
			
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			do you not see the dog pile that develops on top of him after? Sure everyone on buffalo ties up a winnipeg guy, but it still all happens on top of him, implying that either he has a gravitational force, or they were all going for him.  
 
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			01-08-2017, 02:40 AM
			
			
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				I hate to break it to you but the NFL has already put rules in place banning predatory hits. And the uproar from football fans has far exceeded hockey fans complaining about it becoming a finesse game. 
			
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How in this a "predatory" hit?   In either football league, there would be no dust up after the play.  The protection of star players, by running someone that makes a clean hit, is a detriment to the game of hockey.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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