Huge hit by Jake McCabe on Patrik Laine

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So how, in his skates travelling at speed with an entire game of hockey going around you, would you have gauged the minute visual difference between a dirty hit and a clean one?

Then be a man and go toe to toe if your not sure.

[MarkGio]

Guys jump in so that a whistle is blown and so the trainer can get on the ice and look after Laine during the scrum. If you don't scrum, you're playing short handed distracted by Laine lying helpless on the ice. Either way you're playing short handed, but at least with the scrum penalty, Laine is receiving treatment. It also helps to punish McCabe and send a message to your opponents that you don't #### around.

Jeez, you know big hits are going down with some of the comments around here. This is clean, standard hockey.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Guys jump in so that a whistle is blown and so the trainer can get on the ice and look after Laine during the scrum. If you don't scrum, you're playing short handed distracted by Laine lying helpless on the ice. Either way you're playing short handed, but at least with the scrum penalty, Laine is receiving treatment. It also helps to punish McCabe and send a message to your opponents that you don't #### around.

Jeez, you know big hits are going down with some of the comments around here. This is clean, standard hockey.

Real fights get whistles too.

[Matty81]

I don't see anything wrong on either end here. If the league wants to kill fighting or predatory hitting, they have the means to do that, and they haven't. Deal out the penalties and move on... too bad Laine was injured but he and his teammate put him in a bad spot.

Hit was clean but definitely a bit predatory, looked like he was going to hit him even if the puck didn't come that way.

And the way hockey is... McCabe had to know that was coming from someone on the Jets. Like no doubt. You line up one of the best 18 year olds in the league and hit to hurt, you better have your mitts up afterwards. I don't buy that Scheifele pulled a Carcillo or a Ference here, if McCabe was unsuspecting that's on him.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Real fights get whistles too.

There is no real fighting anymore. You can't take off your helmet. You get suspended for jumping in. And refs break up anything that remotely looks like two consenting players (ie, Iginla and Giordano)

[Jaydee]

Beautiful

[CliffFletcher]

So strange that the only thing that provokes a fight in today's NHL is a big bodycheck.

And it hasn't always been standard for scrums to break out after big hits. Looks like the play carries on after all these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJYsV9B7g7c

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Scheiffele crossed checked McCabe in the face ...hopefully he got a penalty for that, too.

I'd like to see an instigator penalty for the guy that jumps the hitter in these cases, that might curb this a bit.

To me, this really takes away from the toughness of the game

No where near his face. Watch it again.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Boxman

Monahan was supposed to be as good or better than Scheifele. Sadly, he has never protected his teammates this way. It's night and day

Not sure what your point is. Seems misguided.

Monahan has never been a player who plays with much of an edge or fight and nor is he expected to, that's not his role. It's not Scheifle's role either, so don't expect that to continue. He probably felt obligated to do something considering he put Laine in that position.

If you want to express disappointment over Monahan's season, you would be better off doing it through comparing Monahan and Scheifle's ability to create offence/score. So far Sceifle is embarrassing Monahan in a that department (the one that matters for these two players).

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So strange that the only thing that provokes a fight in today's NHL is a big bodycheck.

And it hasn't always been standard for scrums to break out after big hits. Looks like the play carries on after all these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJYsV9B7g7c

How can you tell? Each of these hits capture 2-3 seconds of play, if that. Do you think the will show that meaningless scrum after the Laine hit on similar videos next year? Unlikely.

[StrykerSteve]

Fantastic hit. Wish there were more of them in the game today.

[Ryan Coke]

Toughness is taking a big clean hit like a man, and not going outside the rules because it bothers you so much.

Imagine football if there was a fight every time a player gets cranked.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How can you tell? Each of these hits capture 2-3 seconds of play, if that. Do you think the will show that meaningless scrum after the Laine hit on similar videos next year? Unlikely.

In most of the clips you can see the play continue while the player who got rocked lays on the ice, not the instant line-brawl you see today.

Also, I watched hockey back then. Big open-ice hits were common. Play carried on. Maybe at the next stoppage there would be some pushing and beaking off. Not showing that a clean hit affected you or your team was part of the ethos of the game.

Dirty hits were another matter entirely. But in today's NHL, the players don't seem to distinguish between the two.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Awesome hit.

Schiefle should get suspended for that IMO. Rushed McCabe and started sucker punching him, and continued to throw punches after he went down.

How do you sucker punch someone who knows its coming and has moved his arms up in a defensive position?

When it comes to lamenting the big hits of the 1990's then get rid of the body armor that is used as a weapon in hitting and replace them with soft shock absorbing Kevlar like pads.

As good and clean a hit on Laine as possible but even then there is a good chance that McCabe's elbow armor made first contact with Laine's chest.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

In most of the clips you can see the play continue while the player who got rocked lays on the ice, not the instant line-brawl you see today.

Also, I watched hockey back then. Big open-ice hits were common. Play carried on. Maybe at the next stoppage there would be some pushing and beaking off. Not showing that a clean hit affected you or your team was part of the ethos of the game.

Dirty hits were another matter entirely. But in today's NHL, the players don't seem to distinguish between the two.

With the attack equipment worn does it really matter if you are injured with a clean hit? Any big hit has a much higher chance of inflicting an injury than they used to.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Great, clean hit. Love the response by the Jets.

Have to laugh at the people overreacting at the Jets reaction to the hit. If Johnny was laid out people would be screaming bloody murder if his teammates didn't come to his defense. Actually, when Johnny was slashed the cries for retribution were in full force.

You want to lay out our best player? Better be prepared for retaliation. That's the way the game has been for a long time.

Slashing is against the rules. What McCabe did is not.

[calumniate]

Wow. Any vid on what happened with Lehner there? Lol

[Azure]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

An instigator is not enough to stop that. It is ridiculous that a guy gets jumped for throwing a clean hit. I would say 5 minute penalty, a game misconduct, and a 1 game suspension is a better idea.

McCabe was practically standing still when he threw the hit. Laine had his head down the whole way.

Not sure I agree with a team doing nothing, but sucker punching a player and cross checking him to the face after he delivers a big hit is pretty cheap.

[Psytic]

This is why i'm starting to prefer NFL to NHL. taking all the physicality out with cheap retaliations every time there is any big hit has ruined the game. I miss guys like Stevens and Regher. I barely even cheer at hockey games now, there isnt really anything to get excited about just watching players cycle endlessly with no hits and just possession play. its like soccer on ice.

[Gondi Stylez]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Wow. Any vid on what happened with Lehner there? Lol

http://www.thescore.com/news/1202474