[PGT] Flames 2 Canucks 4

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

I heard this interview, and didn't like it. Tonight is the night teammates need to hear a goalie say "I wasn't good enough tonight" regardless of how the team played.

I'm kind of done with this guy.

Something Derek Wills said on radio, how, good days or bad, Johnson speaks to media before and after game days. Always accountable. Same time Elliot isn't always so friendly, not so approachable.

Makes me wonder if this might be why this is his 4th? Organization? Maybe team mates don't love him so much.

The Flames might have played their most domminent game of the season, and the goalie, who stopped 9/13 was talking about turnovers? Seriously!!??

I thought Elliott was really well liked by Blues players

[Strange Brew]

I generally believe that what players say to the media means absolutely nothing. Nothing GMG more than a guy giving a good inyerview and then see a bunch of comments about how great a leader he is. Or conversely if they don't say what we want them to say.

But it's a little disappointing to hear your goalie talk about turnovers after a performance like that. I do get that confidence is key for these guys so maybe that's part of it.

I do hope Treliving does not have his head in the sand when it comes to the goalies again this year.

[Samonadreau]

We outshot them 46-13 and lost 4-2.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Gaudreau has to hit that open net opportunity in the first period. $7 million players simply can't miss a wide open net in a division game. If that goes in the game likely ends in a laugher for the Flames. Elliott wasn't great but this is a game you pay Monahan and Gaudreau to be difference makers and it's just not happening enough this season which is why they are a middling team.

Yeah Johnny has been frustrating for me to watch this year... We've all seen what he is capable of (World Cup, and the 4-5 games after his injury). But he's been very inconsistent and his overall play has regressed from last year IMO. Im sure he will get back to his old self but who knows when it will happen.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

I heard this interview, and didn't like it. Tonight is the night teammates need to hear a goalie say "I wasn't good enough tonight" regardless of how the team played.

I'm kind of done with this guy.

Something Derek Wills said on radio, how, good days or bad, Johnson speaks to media before and after game days. Always accountable. Same time Elliot isn't always so friendly, not so approachable.

Makes me wonder if this might be why this is his 4th? Organization? Maybe team mates don't love him so much.

The Flames might have played their most domminent game of the season, and the goalie, who stopped 9/13 was talking about turnovers? Seriously!!??

Well said. Couldn't agree more. The interview didn't sit well with me either.

[FlamesFan68]

I see nothing in Ellott's game that says he's a #1 goalie, I thought I'd give him some time before coming out and saying anything about him. Seems to me he can't make that glorious save to keep his team in it, and quite often puts his team in a hole. At the beginning of the year I also gave him a bit of a break because the defense wasn't coming together (again). Elliot is at best a #1 with a good team, and a reliable backup goalie with an average team. Ryan Miller should be first star with a .957 save percentage in the game. The Flames out shot the Canucks by a wide margin 46-13, BUT they blocked 26 shots as compared to 6 for the Flames!

Markus Granlund is turning out to be one great 2 way center, however I don't think I'd put him ahead of Monahan, Bennett (another early bad penalty), or Backlund. I'd DEFINITELY have him ahead of Stajan. Sven Baertchi was a threat with no points.

Wotherspoon had an off night, gave away pucks. I'd need a few more games to evaluate his play, he's still playing better than Hamilton did at the start of the year.

[memphusk]

I had hoped Calgary would end up with Elliot at some point. When they got him I dreamt of great things. He has been an absolute dissapointment. Especially when he can't own the fact that he lost that game and had been #### since he got here.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned Gulutzan's questionable use of the coach's challenge. It was clearly goaltender interference, head contact included, along with an emphatic no goal call from the ref directly after it, yet he went ahead and burned the challenge along with any timeout that he may have needed.

It didn't cost them this game, but I thought it was a really poor decision at the time.

I didn't see it that way: I saw Miller move into Stajan's line - either to prevent his movement into the crease or cut off angle (while giving him short side) and then, when he saw the Flames trailer coming in, sold the "hit" by Stajan by going down like a bag of beans. To me it was intentional movement by Miller in the crease, followed by a dive to get a call.

(To be fair, I haven't taken a re-look at the play, but that was my thought at the time.)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesFan68

Wotherspoon had an off night, gave away pucks. I'd need a few more games to evaluate his play, he's still playing better than Hamilton did at the start of the year.

Not by a single measurable stat, nor the eye test.

A bad Hamilton plays like a solid Wotherspoon.

[Samonadreau]

Part of Elliott getting defensive or passing blame is probably due to the fact this is his contract year. A good or poor season could be the difference between a 1 year backup deal or starters wages. He must be pretty stressed. Thing is even if he plays .915 goal from here out he's still gonna have crappy numbers at the end of the year. He's gonna be in tough to get a decent contract anywhere next year. Maybe Vegas claims a good young goalie and signs a guy like Elliott.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I didn't see it that way: I saw Miller move into Stajan's line - either to prevent his movement into the crease or cut off angle (while giving him short side) and then, when he saw the Flames trailer coming in, sold the "hit" by Stajan by going down like a bag of beans. To me it was intentional movement by Miller in the crease, followed by a dive to get a call.

(To be fair, I haven't taken a re-look at the play, but that was my thought at the time.)

Whether he sold the call or not, you can't contact the goalie without someone pushing you in, and you definitely can't do it in the middle of the crease. The goalie is allowed his blue paint and you can't be there unless the puck is there...but you definitely can't crash into him and make contact with his head, allowing someone else to score.

Honestly, I'm for calling more goalie interference overall. I don't see the goalies getting enough protection at times, and when the call is this easy to make you just go with it and say "we'll get 'em next time".

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I didn't see it that way: I saw Miller move into Stajan's line - either to prevent his movement into the crease or cut off angle (while giving him short side) and then, when he saw the Flames trailer coming in, sold the "hit" by Stajan by going down like a bag of beans. To me it was intentional movement by Miller in the crease, followed by a dive to get a call.

(To be fair, I haven't taken a re-look at the play, but that was my thought at the time.)

I am in between. I thought it was a good goal, but once that call was made, it was pretty much unchallengeable.

[Galakanokis]

What a horrible game, I thought it was just brutal hockey. As much as the Flames dominated the play they played down to the Canucks level. Slow sloppy play through out most of that game. I am pretty sure the Canucks completed more passes to Flames sticks then they did to their own. Absolutely no worry about that team doing much of anything this year.

The Flames should have had another gear or two in that game and we never saw it. They need to develop a mean streak and dictate the play rather than reacting to it. I am sure Vancouver avoided any physical, rough play on purpose to not wake up the Flames. Just a god awful game to watch.

I do not blame Elliott for those goals completely as they seemed to be some pretty weird bounces but he definitely doesn't inspire confidence out there. As bad as Johnson played he stayed calm and in control out there. Elliott looks like a goalie with no rhythm and it is hard to blame him but he needs to be a lot better. Tough game to get into when you face a shot every 4 mins or so and a number of Elliott's game have been like that.

[TheoFleury]

Is Elliott trying to make himself unlikable with comments like that?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I'm a little surprised to see all the negativity surrounding Elliott to be honest. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I still am. The Flames ran into a goalie who played possibly the best game of his career. It stinks, but it happens. Elliott had no chance on two of the goals. Before last night he was 5-0. He's not perfect but I'm not ready to run him out of town because Miller played out of this world. Hopefully next time he gets in there he can start another 5 game streak. Until then just like to see more of the same tonight on the shot clock with hopefully a little more puck luck at both ends.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Part of Elliott getting defensive or passing blame is probably due to the fact this is his contract year. A good or poor season could be the difference between a 1 year backup deal or starters wages. He must be pretty stressed. Thing is even if he plays .915 goal from here out he's still gonna have crappy numbers at the end of the year. He's gonna be in tough to get a decent contract anywhere next year. Maybe Vegas claims a good young goalie and signs a guy like Elliott.

Agreed. And he probably wasn't told when he signed that GG was going to apply scorched earth approach to coaching that would lead the team to futility and confusion for the first 1/4 of the season. It hasn't gone well for him here, and i'm sure he regrets signing with the Flames. As a franchise, I hope the year turns around for him and he is our goaltender in the playoffs and he leaves us with a positive taste so future goaltender trade prospects don't simply look the other way when the Flames come knocking.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Corral

Agreed. And he probably wasn't told when he signed that GG was going to apply scorched earth approach to coaching that would lead the team to futility and confusion for the first 1/4 of the season. It hasn't gone well for him here, and i'm sure he regrets signing with the Flames. As a franchise, I hope the year turns around for him and he is our goaltender in the playoffs and he leaves us with a positive taste so future goaltender trade prospects don't simply look the other way when the Flames come knocking.

He didn't sign with the Flames, he was traded for.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

He didn't sign with the Flames, he was traded for.

Good point. thanks for the correction

[IamNotKenKing]

Goals 1 & 3 were the kind Johnson was stopping, during both his win streak and his recent stint.
Goals 2 & 4 were going in on Johnson during his recent stint.

[Meers]

Remember when the Canucks originally signed Miller as a free agent and we all laughed at it as a massive overpayment of a player on the downside of his career?

Good times!