Lethbridge women charged after leaving their children in car for an hour

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People here are vastly underestimating the number of complete #####-ups who have kids. We can't take all of their kids away because we don't have thousands of safe and healthy homes in this province just waiting to take in kids who are themselves often messed up. We just don't.

I think you're vastly underestimating how stupid it is to leave your children in a freezing car so you can get drunk.

This level of incompetence isn't as normal as you make it seem and there wouldn't be a lot of motherless children because this isn't something that happens on the regular.

[killer_carlson]

Also remember that the little girl Serenity was also in the "custody of family members" through a Kinship arrangement. And they murdered her through heinous abuse.

I don't know the answer.

[V]

Haha, here's calgaryblood and his faux outrage again. How tiring.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by V

Haha, here's calgaryblood and his faux outrage again. How tiring.

Faux outrage?

Because I don't think these parents should be able to be parents? If you have a problem with me feel free to PM me.

[Dion]

This woman should be forced to stand in the middle of a busy mall with a sign that says "I left my kids unattended in my car for an hour while I was inside a Bar"

[V]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Faux outrage?

Because I don't think these parents should be able to be parents? If you have a problem with me feel free to PM me.

Because you think sterilization should be a minimum sentence for this. I mean either it's faux outrage or you're legitimately insane. Take your pick.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I think you're vastly underestimating how stupid it is to leave your children in a freezing car so you can get drunk.

This level of incompetence isn't as normal as you make it seem and there wouldn't be a lot of motherless children because this isn't something that happens on the regular.

It's not normal. There are probably only a few thousand parents in Alberta that negligent. The problem is there are even fewer people willing to foster or adopt the children of really bad parents. And children taken into foster care are often going into another situation where they're vulnerable to neglect and abuse. So the issue is not as simple as you want it to be.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Hes

The biggest problem the world faces is that stupid people have more kids than smart people do.

Indeed. Look at the US election.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by V

Because you think sterilization should be a minimum sentence for this. I mean either it's faux outrage or you're legitimately insane. Take your pick.

Not good at sarcasm? I also said their punishment should be being locked in a car for 8 hours. But yes if sterilization was a legal tactic I would definitely be in favour.

Can't believe some are actually saying this isn't worthy of losing their kids. That to me is insane. Legitimately.

I would love to see a poll on people's opinion because I can't imagine I'm out to lunch on this thinking they should lose ther kids.

[V]

I think you understand sarcasm as well as my 6 year old boy.

In any case, Cliff is right. Anyone that thinks one offence should constitute children being taken away from their parents have had no exposure to the foster system in Alberta.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by V

I think you understand sarcasm as well as my 6 year old boy.

In any case, Cliff is right. Anyone that thinks one offence should constitute children being taken away from their parents have had no exposure to the foster system in Alberta.

So you've had exposure? Is that why you are so defensive?

[V]

Yes I have. Defensive how?

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by V

Yes I have. Defensive how?

As in defending the parents and wanting to give them a second chance.


Do you actually believe these women woke up one day and out of the blue decided to go to the bar and leave their kids in a freezing cold car while they go get hammered? You think it's a one time thing and not a regular thing for these women?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by V

I think you understand sarcasm as well as my 6 year old boy.

In any case, Cliff is right. Anyone that thinks one offence should constitute children being taken away from their parents have had no exposure to the foster system in Alberta.

Anyone who thinks that locking 3-4 year old kids in a car in minus 18 weather while going to a bar at 11pm is somehow deserving of a second chance or a slap on the wrist or "foster care is bad, so why are we taking these kids away" is crazy. Downright crazy. These two women should get f-n prison time for this. This isn't some simple lapse of judgement, this is child endangerment to the nth degree. If foster care is also horrible, well, that needs to become a top priority issue. But whether it's horrible or not, what's really horrible are these two twats who almost killed their kids to have some drinks.

Prison time. I'm not being sarcastic.

[Acey]

One could simply send an inquiry to CPS/RCMP/whomever on how many people in Alberta are convicted, in a given year, under section 215 of the criminal code for failing to provide the necessities of life.

I'm not sure it'd be enough to cause catastrophic failure of the foster system, but it'd end this discussion either way.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Acey

One could simply send an inquiry to CPS/RCMP/whomever on how many people in Alberta are convicted, in a given year, under section 215 of the criminal code for failing to provide the necessities of life.

I'm not sure it'd be enough to cause catastrophic failure of the foster system, but it'd end this discussion either way.

The child welfare system is pretty broken and useless in Alberta and likely in many parts of North America.

We had an experience with the system and nothing was done. It involved a child and his siblings who were suspected of being abused. One day abuse of the child was actually witnessed and the RCMP were called. The parents and children left immediately and before RCMP arrived. The RCMP took a report and apparently went to visit the family but not until a few hours later. It was late in the evening by the time that RCMP arrived to check on the kids but they were sleeping and the RCMP decided not to bother the kids after speaking with the parents but apparently they visited the kids at school later that week and spoke with the kids.

The father was subsequently charged and had to go to trial along with our witness but the children were never taken away or anything. At the trial, the charges were dropped because there was no physical evidence of abuse due to the RCMP not checking on the kid that night and by the time they spoke to the kid at school he didn't have a bruise or anything.

We don't associate with them any more and have no idea if the RCMP or Government actually follows up routinely to check on welfare or not. Basically getting to the point where a child is actually taken away requires pretty severe neglect and endangerment.

What this province really lacks is appropriate programs and support for parents especially young, single mothers. Often times they just don't have the resources and they make stupid mistakes because they are selfish. These parents generally do care for their kids and don't want to do them harm but they don't always understand the consequences of their actions.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People here are vastly underestimating the number of complete #####-ups who have kids. We can't take all of their kids away because we don't have thousands of safe and healthy homes in this province just waiting to take in kids who are themselves often messed up. We just don't.

I disagree. I think you're underestimating just how erroneous this was. We aren't talking about a quick run into the grocery store on a hot day type incident.

If a patron didn't happen to see the kids and call the cops, instead of talking about women being charged we're very possibly talking about a three and four year old freezing to death in Lethbridge.

No one is suggesting that anyone who ever swore in front of their children to have them taken away. We're talking about two psychopaths who put their children's lives at risk to get drunk, and probably would have drove home drunk, assuming their children are still alive, had the cops not been called.

They are the epitome of people who should lose custody of their children, depending on the fathers' situation. At worst they go to a neglectful and abusive home where there lives are at risk...which is already where they are. At one point you would need to advocate for the complete abolishment of the foster care system and Alberta Human Services if you aren't removing neglected children who have their lives put at risk because of two terrible garbage mothers like this.

I certainly agree that there is a line. There is limited resources. There is no way to move every child in a bad situation to a new home. However, this is a clear case where the line was crossed in my mind.


Calgary Father leaves two children in car at Casino: http://globalnews.ca/news/3132972/2-...o-parking-lot/....

[Snuffleupagus]

This wouldn't happen if our stupid liquor laws allowed children in bars ala Australia.

[Northendzone]

I wonder how the conversation went:

Mom 1 - hey lets go to the casino and try and make some cash money
Mom 2 - but I don't have a babysitter
Long pause
Then both moms exclaim - let's leave the kids in the car , what can go wrong cha - Ching make money money make money make money

[Acey]

It wasn't the casino, just a crappy bar downtown. I think I know mom 1, the younger one. Real idiot, but I wouldn't have anticipated her leaving her child in a car to freeze.