[Rumour] Iginla willing to waive NMC at this years deadline

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Brent gets better and better and still can't get an NHL gig.

To be totally fair, I'm not so sure he wants one. He always seemed more comfortable and content managing and coaching the Rebels, and by all reports that is where his heart is.

I think Brent is a good coach, but he wasn't a fit for the Flames roster at the time.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Except Iginla continued to be an effective player as he aged by doing what he was good at. The fact he's still playing at 40 is a testament to that.

Brent Sutter was a horrible coach who couldn't figure out how to get the most of any of his players and took a perennial playoff team and ran it into the ground. There is nothing about his record as a Flames coach that makes him look good in any way.

I equate being effective with helping teams win games, not only offensive production. Coincidentally, Iginla scored more goals under Brent Sutter than he has under any of his coaches since.

Aside from 2004, being traded to a contender and signing with another, his team's have never made noise when it mattered in the playoffs. 30 goals is nice but 25 and a playoff series win is better.

Not exactly shocking the avs haven't seen the post season since he arrived.

[Looch City]

That's a pretty good divide...

But majority rules, Iggy's coming back on the next flight to YYC. Someone follow him at the airport?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I equate being effective with helping teams win games, not only offensive production.

Aside from 2004, being traded to a contender and signing with another, his team's have never made noise when it mattered in the playoffs. 30 goals is nice but 25 and a playoff series win is better.

Not exactly shocking the avs haven't seen the post season since he arrived.

Suggesting Iginla is the reason those teams faltered is asinine, but par for the course with your ongoing hate-on for the player himself.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I equate being effective with helping teams win games, not only offensive production.

Aside from 2004, being traded to a contender and signing with another, his team's have never made noise when it mattered in the playoffs. 30 goals is nice but 25 and a playoff series win is better.

Not exactly shocking the avs haven't seen the post season since he arrived.

I dont believe Iginla should be above crtiticism but...come on...that statement is insane.

Theres lots of reasons the Avs havent had a sniff of the playoffs since signing Iggy, but I think that says more about relying heavily on a power forward on the wrong side of 30 than anything Iggy himself has done.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I equate being effective with helping teams win games, not only offensive production.

Aside from 2004, being traded to a contender and signing with another, his team's have never made noise when it mattered in the playoffs. 30 goals is nice but 25 and a playoff series win is better.

Not exactly shocking the avs haven't seen the post season since he arrived.

This is the weakest argument yet. You make it seem like if only Iginla played a little better 2 way game that the garbage Flames teams he had to play on his entire career it would have been better if only he scored 5 less goals.

The Avs are a terrible team and is being run by one of the worst GMs in the league and it's not shocking that they're missing the playoffs? Is that on Iginla too? Was them signing Colborne, Comeau, and Bourque and having zero defensive depth along with almost zero two way forwards the fault of Iginla?

Iginla was talked about as the best player in the game and one of the best players in the game for close to a decade by some of the smartest hockey people on earth. Has been to 3 Olympics on the best team in the world. And won two golds while being a big contributor in each one.

Saying he isn't a team guy is asinine.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont believe Iginla should be above crtiticism but...come on...that statement is insane.

Theres lots of reasons the Avs havent had a sniff of the playoffs since signing Iggy, but I think that says more about relying heavily on a power forward on the wrong side of 30 than anything Iggy himself has done.

Do you think it is just a coincidence?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Do you think it is just a coincidence?

The Avs have been a gong show from the GM down in the last few years, including poor coaching, zero defense and all of their stars struggling.

The idea that a late 30s Iginla was somehow the cause of all that is laughable.

But then again, so is your entire agenda when it comes to this topic.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Do you think it is just a coincidence?

Yes, somethings are coincidences.

Didn't think the most ardent of Iginla detractors would find a way to blame him for the Avalanche, but here we are.

[GoJetsGo]

The only person who trashes Iginla as much as Walken is Tinordi, but at least he says something incredibly ignorant and biased and then immediately disappears after.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Do you think it is just a coincidence?

This really makes no sense unless you mean Iginla forced the Avs to play and sign Colborne, Comeau, Bourque, Tanguay and zero defensive defencemen along with almost no two way forwards.

The Avs are the worst team in the league, on paper, and on the ice. That's not the fault of a third line 39 year old.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

But then again, so is your entire agenda when it comes to this topic.

Everyone has their trigger topics, the subjects they should avoid at all costs but just can't. Locke has Spiderman, Street Pharmacist has Keenan Kanzig, HotHotHeat has Apple, MMF has Android and Flash Walken has Iginla.

The bias is so ridiculous it casts a shadow over everything else he posts.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Everyone has their trigger topics, the subjects they should avoid at all costs but just can't. Locke has Spiderman, Street Pharmacist has Keenan Kanzig, HotHotHeat has Apple, MMF has Android and Flash Walken has Iginla.

The bias is so ridiculous it casts a shadow over everything else he posts.

Speaking of which, David Jones is 15 goals away from 15 goals this season.

Say, let's sign Jones! We don't need Iginla, there's a first-line right winger who's still a free agent! And at league minimum!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yes, somethings are coincidences.

Didn't think the most ardent of Iginla detractors would find a way to blame him for the Avalanche, but here we are.

Is he improving things?

If the avs are such a disaster of an organization why did he sign there for so long?

The Iginla starts and stops with team accomplishments and outside of being surrounded by All-star lineups, there really aren't any.

This has been documented over and over through the years. Darryl saying he is a tough player to coach, the team absolutely ####ting the bed in game 7 vs the ducks, quitting on play fair the year after that, losing out on the Chicago series at least in part because the team was too busy getting wasted the night before the games in Chicago. Pouting his way through the tenure of Sutter which involved critical breakdowns in the stretch drive Yar after year and then forcing the flames hand by refusing to negotiate a contract during his final season with the club.

Francois beachemin was apparently ripping the abs just the other day about their play, no mention of Iginla in the article.

I've never criticised his ability, only his desire to do what it takes to win.

There has been a myth built around Iginla largely because there wasn't anything else worthy of mythologizing around the rest if the flames organization.

To get it back in track with the thread, I don't want that element back on the team, I want guys willing to do what it takes to win.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is he improving things?

If the avs are such a disaster of an organization why did he sign there for so long?

The Iginla starts and stops with team accomplishments and outside of being surrounded by All-star lineups, there really aren't any.

This has been documented over and over through the years. Darryl saying he is a tough player to coach, the team absolutely ####ting the bed in game 7 vs the ducks, quitting on play fair the year after that, losing out on the Chicago series at least in part because the team was too busy getting wasted the night before the games in Chicago. Pouting his way through the tenure of Sutter which involved critical breakdowns in the stretch drive Yar after year and then forcing the flames hand by refusing to negotiate a contract during his final season with the club.

Francois beachemin was apparently ripping the abs just the other day about their play, no mention of Iginla in the article.

I've never criticised his ability, only his desire to do what it takes to win.

There has been a myth built around Iginla largely because there wasn't anything else worthy of mythologizing around the rest if the flames organization.

To get it back in track with the thread, I don't want that element back on the team, I want guys willing to do what it takes to win.

Sorry, but you have an irrational hate-on for the guy and have ALWAYS put forth biased, twisted nonsense in an attempt to push this agenda.

Suggesting the Avs suddenly started to suck because Iginla signed there is a perfect example of this, and tells anyone everything they need to do about your ability to put forth a rational take on this subject.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I equate being effective with helping teams win games, not only offensive production.

Aside from 2004, being traded to a contender and signing with another, his team's have never made noise when it mattered in the playoffs. 30 goals is nice but 25 and a playoff series win is better.

Not exactly shocking the avs haven't seen the post season since he arrived.

Yeah, the Avs bringing in a 37 year old winger is the reason why they haven't made the playoffs. Despite their core of Duchene, Landeskog, Barrie, Jonhson, Varlamov, and McKinnon, they expect Iginla to lead them to a cup. The same was true of the Penguins and Bruins?

But let's fact-check your narrative, shall we:
- Pittsburgh (2012/13) - Went to ECF, lost to Bruins
- Iginla is 4th in points for playoff points on his team
- Pittsburgh did not go as deep in the playoffs until 2015-16 season, when they won the Stanley Cup

- Boston (2013/14) - Loses to Montreal in the second round
- Iginla is 3rd in points for both the regular season and playoffs for his team
- Boston doesn't qualify for the playoffs following Iginla's tenure

- Avalanche doesn't qualify for the playoffs in the past 3 out of 4 seasons before Iginla signs, and doesn't qualify for the 2 (probably 3) after
- Iginla is 1st in team points (14/15 season)
- Iginla is 6th in team points (15/16 season)
- Iginla is currently 12th in team points

At no point in his career after the Flames are teams expecting Iginla to lead them to a cup. Yet up until the last two seasons did he perform admirably. Let's not blame Crosby, Malkin, Krejci, or Bergeron, ler's blame the new guy in his late 30's for not putting his team on his back, right?

[Galakanokis]

Take a pass. I don't care about his legacy or what he did for the team and city anymore, that's in the past and he will be rightly honored when the time comes. All I care is whether or not he can still contribute to a winning team, particularly the Flames and I think the answer to that is no. Flames are most effective when they play with team speed and move as 5 man units. I don't think Iginla can play that game anymore. He might have a role on the power play if his shot is still there but overall I cannot see keeping up fro 15 mins a game right now.

Move on, it's done.

[Vinny01]

Brent Sutter was a poor coach but also had a crap roster to work with. The only times in his tenure with the Flames that they were remotely entertaining was the first 15-20 games in his first season (team was scoring at an unsustainable rate not playing anything close to a lockdown style of play), and briefly in his second season when they scored a ton off the rush and Iginla finished north of 40 goals and 80pts.

The sad part for Iginla was the team was unable to have any player close to taking over the goal scoring on the team while he was here. Never should a 35 year old be the driving force of your offense. Remember when the closest thing to an Iginla heir was Rene Bourque?

If Iggy returns this season fans would expect the likes of Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Backlund, Frolik, Brouwer, Versteeg, Tkachuk to provide more scoring than JI.

If the team makes the playoffs Iggy will be the type of player that the rest of the team wants to win for

[Young_Guns]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the avs are such a disaster of an organization why did he sign there for so long?

Maybe because they had just captured the Central Division a year prior with 50 some odd wins? They looked like a very young team on the upswing that was sure to be a perennial contender. Eventually, young teams like that pull it together and end up winning. It wasn't a bad decision in my eyes. It just didn't pan out for him or the Avs. They lost key players like Stastny and O'Reilly. Had the Avalanche still had those guys, I think they would be a different team today.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Is he improving things?

If the avs are such a disaster of an organization why did he sign there for so long?

The Iginla starts and stops with team accomplishments and outside of being surrounded by All-star lineups, there really aren't any.

This has been documented over and over through the years. Darryl saying he is a tough player to coach, the team absolutely ####ting the bed in game 7 vs the ducks, quitting on play fair the year after that, losing out on the Chicago series at least in part because the team was too busy getting wasted the night before the games in Chicago. Pouting his way through the tenure of Sutter which involved critical breakdowns in the stretch drive Yar after year and then forcing the flames hand by refusing to negotiate a contract during his final season with the club.

Francois beachemin was apparently ripping the abs just the other day about their play, no mention of Iginla in the article.

I've never criticised his ability, only his desire to do what it takes to win.

There has been a myth built around Iginla largely because there wasn't anything else worthy of mythologizing around the rest if the flames organization.

To get it back in track with the thread, I don't want that element back on the team, I want guys willing to do what it takes to win.

Now you're just making things up. You clearly have a condition. You should take to your doctor about psychological treatment.