Alberta Politics Thread

[Kjesse]

Nm

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

While I've never been responsible for completely overseeing a single relocation project, I have overseen many different aspects of relocations, as well as taken part in planning as well as actual training and labour to get it done. I have no idea what jacks' title is, but saying you've overseen a relocation could mean a few things, and it doesn't make him an expert by any means, the fact that the only headache in the process he mentions is transferring equipment between sites, which frankly as I've mentioned is a very minor part of the process, causes me to question the legitimacy of his actual experience claims.

The CEO of macdonalds technically oversees millions of happy meals being served each day, I'll bet he'd be lost if you asked him to serve you one though.

Negotiated the new space lease
Applied for permits, changed licenses, etc.
Negotiated the construction
Planned the new space
Dealt with construction contractors
Conducted walk throughs at both locations
Coordinated the IT change over
Coordinated the change over of vendors, utilities, services, telecommunications, etc.
Coordinated the crews, vehicles, subcontractors
Supervised the team leaders and crews throughout the process
Oversaw decommissioning of the the old building
Financed the whole thing and signed the cheques
I'm leaving out about a hundred other minor items

I think I'm qualified to make a happy meal.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

The CEO of macdonalds technically oversees millions of happy meals being served each day

No, he doesn't. That's not what "oversee" means. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...nglish/oversee.

It's ok to admit you missed that he said "overseen" and you argued you'd "seen". They are just not the same thing, at all. If your argument is based on who has more relevant personal experience, sorry, you lose.

Lastly, you spelled it "macdonalds". Again. It doesn't speak well to your level of intellectual rigor when you don't correct your previously admitted mistakes.

[transplant99]

This thread is just mind-boggling.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Negotiated the new space lease
Applied for permits, changed licenses, etc.
Negotiated the construction
Planned the new space
Dealt with construction contractors
Conducted walk throughs at both locations
Coordinated the IT change over
Coordinated the change over of vendors, utilities, services, telecommunications, etc.
Coordinated the crews, vehicles, subcontractors
Supervised the team leaders and crews throughout the process
Oversaw decommissioning of the the old building
Financed the whole thing and signed the cheques
I'm leaving out about a hundred other minor items

I think I'm qualified to make a happy meal.

That's a pretty good list of responsibilities, and I will say that I can appreciate your opinion on the matter, however that doesn't mean I agree with your stance on the simplicity of the process of relocation, nor does it make your assessment definitively accurate.

Hard to imagine that someone with those qualifications only keeping around 20 people employed though, why hold yourself back like that?

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Dion

Notely says walk more or take the bus





http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/12/14...t-looking-back

Someone should have told this stupid bitch to walk and take a boat to Paris for that stupid Climate accord.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by jammies

No, he doesn't. That's not what "oversee" means. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dict...nglish/oversee.

It's ok to admit you missed that he said "overseen" and you argued you'd "seen". They are just not the same thing, at all. If your argument is based on who has more relevant personal experience, sorry, you lose.

There are many factors involved in a project like that, and they vary greatly from one facility to another. To dismiss a person's experience's relevance based solely on the position they held in the process is a little bit short sighted, especially when we are talking about multiple projects at different levels vs 1 project albeit at a higher level. Not saying a person who worked as a custodian at 10 different relocations would know more than jacks, but I would argue that someone who had done a number of the different tasks which jacks listed as part of different relocations would have some very relevant experience to form an opinion by, and may even have more insight. Disagree if you want.

Lastly, you spelled it "macdonalds". Again. It doesn't speak well to your level of intellectual rigor when you don't correct your previously admitted mistakes.

Did you know which restaurant I was referring to? Or did you mistake it for the other restaurant spelled macdonalds that serve happy meals? Get over it.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That really frustrates you? I'm sorry, maybe ignore my posts

[PantherExtreme]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Someone should have told this stupid bitch to walk and take a boat to Paris for that stupid Climate accord.

Please calm down a bit.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This thread is just mind-boggling.

It's basically a long conversation about arithmetic with someone who's totally convinced that 2+2=5.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by PantherExtreme

Please calm down a bit.

You must be a NDP lackey

[Zarley]

Yet more investment outflow from our province. Unfortunately the idiots in our government will likely see this as a positive due to foreign owned assets being taken out by a local company, but more sophisticated financial minds should understand the negative consequences at stake:

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...ost-its-lustre

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Someone should have told this stupid bitch to walk and take a boat to Paris for that stupid Climate accord.

It's very disappointing that Notley's pretty tame suggestion that encouraging people to walk and take transit more for local trips is a policy goal can inspire this kind of vitriol.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It's very disappointing that Notley's pretty tame suggestion that encouraging people to walk and take transit more for local trips is a policy goal can inspire this kind of vitriol.

You might want to read this

Premier Notley doesn't take the bus after a federal-provincial meeting and Wildrose's Brian Jean slams her as 'hypocrite'

Earlier this month, Premier Notley went to Ottawa and attended a working dinner with the other premiers and Prime Minister Trudeau on the subject of dollars for health care.

Bus transport was made available for the premiers following the dinner and after a day where earlier chatter was all about the virtue of fighting climate change.

Jean says he found out when the dinner meeting concluded Notley did not take the bus. There was room for all, including security, he'd been told.

But Notley didn't take the bus, an actual bus.

Instead, she got into an SUV with her officials. This is confirmed by the premier's people.

"I do think she's a hypocrite," says Jean.

"She's the one pounding the drum for something she says is very, very important. She expects us to do it but doesn't expect herself to lead by example."

"The premier's expectation is for other people to solve the problem while she has the opportunity to lead by example but won't."

The Wildrose leader mentions Notley skipping out on the bus happened soon after the premier said the carbon tax "actually is a tremendous opportunity to make better choices."

"The premier is not required to make better choices. She can make any choice she wants and she does. She lives the way she wants to live at the expense of taxpayers. She's not the one being told to make better choices," says Jean.

A year ago, Notley said government deep thinkers were looking at its fleet of vehicles "to reduce their cost and to enhance the environmental integrity."

A year later, nothing has been announced.

Then, this week, Notley said as the price of gas goes up at the pump because of the carbon tax it's not just about having "a more efficient vehicle."

"It could sometimes be a question of taking the bus, walking ..."

This also enraged readers.

"People will get angrier as time goes on and events show she's talking the talk but not walking the walk. Angrier than they are already," says Jean.

"They resent people being hypocritical about something that actually takes money out of their pockets."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/12/15...as-a-hypocrite

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It's very disappointing that Notley's pretty tame suggestion that encouraging people to walk and take transit more for local trips is a policy goal can inspire this kind of vitriol.

I'm all for it as a policy goal. There's no reason only the strong shouldn't survive. I'm tired of people whining about -23. Or being old or fat or stupid or weak. Or this one....I have too many little kids to bloody walk anywhere. Oh or even better...I live too far away. Pay up strugglers.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It's very disappointing that Notley's pretty tame suggestion that encouraging people to walk and take transit more for local trips is a policy goal can inspire this kind of vitriol.

It is the same calibre of argument as "look in the mirror". You might argue it is technically right, but there is no possibility of such a statement ever being taken positively. Boiled down to its base level, the statement is really "I don't give a crap about your concerns".

[Fuzz]

Did anyone bother to ask her why she didn't take the bus? Or is it just flinging accusations? I'm all for holding people to practice what they preach, but in this case maybe their was a decent enough reason. Usually a good journalist would ask a question rather than just ranting, but...*clicks link* oh, it's Rick Bell. Nevermind.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You just made up numbers in your scenario though, of $1 million and $500 000. Have you considered that it may go from $250 000 to -$250 000, making it unprofitable?

Did you say unprofitable? Or more unprofitable?

The NDP will see you in court! You're getting sued!

Wait, or is that you will see yourself in court? That you're going to sue yourself for something. I'm not sure anymore.

[Fuzz]

LOL, I actually considered that when writing my response, but I didn't want to confuse iggy_oi with terms like that. He has enough trouble keeping it to the basics.

[taco.vidal]

This was mentioned in the politics crap mega thread. I know that a lot of people including myself dont often go in the mega thread and this is worth its own discussion.

Id like this idea if the rest of North America went this way. If Alberta is the fringe outlier, then I prefer the status quo. Ive got to deal with timezones in my work and although computers can take care of a lot of stuff, theres still things I need to do when working with timezones and having the offset change depending on time of year will cause a lot of problems, especially for those not in Alberta who wouldnt be as aware that we are on a fringe system.

Let other states and provinces go this way then follow. Alberta isnt going to drive the change that causes the big boy states and provinces to follow. This bill is probably 10 to 20 years too early in Alberta.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/ndp-mla-p...erta-1.3205717

NDP MLA plans to table bill to abolish daylight saving time in Alberta

MLA says its time Albertans stop changing their clocks twice a year.

Julia Parrish, Web Reporter, CTV Edmonton

Published Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:31PM MST
Last Updated Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:29PM MST

An Edmonton MLA says it is time for Albertans to stop changing their clocks twice a year, and he plans to table a Private Member’s Bill in the New Year aimed at dropping Daylight Saving Time.

Thomas Dang, MLA for Edmonton-South West, said he’s confident most Albertans want to see the time change dropped. The idea came up in the fall as a policy idea for the provincial government, but it seems a P.C. petition on the subject has sped up the process.

Earlier in the week, PC MLA Richard Starke tabled a few hundred signatures, and asked the province to repeal the Daylight Saving Time Act.

When MLAs return to the legislature for the spring session, Dang plans to table a bill to repeal the act.

Dang said every time Albertans change their clocks, he sees a flood of emails from constituents complaining about it.

“So I started digging more and I started doing research and studying the effects of ‘why do we do it’, and obviously it came from war time efforts, and some of those reasons just don’t hold weight anymore,” Dang said. “As I moved forward I thought this is something I could help champion that would affect so many people.”

Dang said he’s aware the issue could spark response from people who fall on both sides of the issue, and said he wants to hear from Albertans.

In Canada, only Saskatchewan, and parts of British Columbia, Nunavut and Quebec don’t change clocks for Daylight Saving Time.

Elsewhere, there is a growing movement in the U.S. and in Europe to either keep the time change year-round, or abandon it completely. At this time, about 10 states in the U.S. have proposed legislation to drop the time changes.